Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And the alternative is? 5 years of Brexit mayhem?

Yes. Because that's what we voted for. You lost, get over it already

Tory party fighting against itself?

Pot. kettle?

Winding up of the NHS?

Not going to happen

The rich getting more obscenley rich and no safety for the poor,

The more the rich earn, the more tax they pay. the top ten percent pay forty percent of all tax already

with the end of the welfare state?

Not going to happen

Your daydream has become a nightmare.

My daydream, if you bothered to read my post, was that you get your wish, Corbyn et al drive this country into the ground and then we press the magic rewind switch to show you just how rubbish your labour party really is

(oh, we might get Fox hunting and grammar schools back so that's progress I guess...)

On the subject of Grammar Schools: The world loves our grammar school system

Regarding international evidence, there’s an elephant in the room that our educational experts, wilfully or otherwise, refuse to acknowledge.

What’s the highest performing country on all international tests? Singapore, of course. What do the educational experts and the BBC put this down to? They invest more in their teachers, of course. No one mentions the feature of the Singaporean education system that cries out to be noticed: it’s highly selective. What’s more, it’s explicitly modelled on the erstwhile grammar-school system of England and Wales that Mrs May is attempting to revitalise here.
Educational experts condemn selection as leading to less equitable education systems. That’s simply not true. Andreas Schleicher, head of education at OECD (which produces the international assessments that Singapore excels on) praises that country as being not only the most successful education system in the world but also claims that it achieves ‘excellence without wide differences between children from wealthy and disadvantaged families’. There is plenty of data which shows precisely that. On indicators of fairness to children from lower socioeconomic status, Singapore is as fair as, or fairer than, countries which don’t have selection.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Yes. Because that's what we voted for. You lost, get over it already Pot. kettle?Not going to happenThe more the rich earn, the more tax they pay. the top ten percent pay forty percent of all tax alreadyNot going to happenMy daydream, if you bothered to read my post, was that you get your wish, Corbyn et al drive this country into the ground and then we press the magic rewind switch to show you just how rubbish your labour party really is
On the subject of Grammar Schools: The world loves our grammar school system

My Labour party? Not a member of the Labour party, or have ever voted Labour.
Brexit, time will tell, bit I think we've all 'lost'.
The gap between rich and poor in this country has never been greater. It isn't going to improve with this Govt.
As for Grammar schools great, but what about all the other kids?
Looking forward to the return of Fox hunting, will Sky do it on UHD? Theresa as an expert summariser on the killing?
However think we're straying from the thread subject a little...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

My Labour party? Not a member of the Labour party, or have ever voted Labour.
Brexit, time will tell, bit I think we've all 'lost'.
The gap between rich and poor in this country has never been greater. It isn't going to improve with this Govt.
As for Grammar schools great, but what about all the other kids?
Looking forward to the return of Fox hunting, will Sky do it on UHD? Theresa as an expert summariser on the killing?
However think we're straying from the thread subject a little...

The gap between rich and poor will always increase if you import a load of people at the lower income end.
ALL educational ability levels perform better when taught alongside similar ability pupils.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Mick, if you support party that can't win in your constituency, there's no point in voting. It's not a great system.

You miss the point.

The party is supposed to make itself electable.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

So you also castigate John Major and Bill Clinton for speaking to 'terrorists'. If they hadn't we'd still have the IRA bombing. Those guilty of these crimes should be prosecuted, the 'amnesty' for IRA and Loyalist prisoners was as step too far imo, but talk of traitors and seeking more confrontation doesn't help.

If you equate Corbyn and McDonnell meeting the IRA to support them in their struggle against the British to Major and Clinton trying to broker a peace deal.....you're an imbecile, sorry for name calling but you can't escape it.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You miss the point.

The party is supposed to make itself electable.

---------- Post added at 08:38 ---------- Previous post was at 08:35 ----------



If you equate Corbyn and McDonnell meeting the IRA to support them in their struggle against the British to Major and Clinton trying to broker a peace deal.....you're an imbecile, sorry for name calling but you can't escape it.

Imbecile? Just maybe not as blinkered and one eyed as others. The British Govt. were in constant behind the scenes negotiations with the IRA throughout the troubles.

What I do see is the right wing media and Tories, trying to use last weeks outrage to drag up something from years ago to deflect from the day to day issues and their disaster of a manifesto. People are more concerned about the NHS, social care, housing, wealth inequality and tuition fees. The mud slinging and name calling isn't working, only 6 points between the parties in the latest poll this morning. That's a record increase for a party during a campaign, the more both parties are exposed without media bias the closer they get.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Imbecile? Just maybe not as blinkered and one eyed as others. The British Govt. were in constant behind the scenes negotiations with the IRA throughout the troubles.

I know, but I doubt they congratulating them on a good campaign.

You seem to be unable to differentiate between negotiating with the IRA and supporting them.

Would you like me to explain it to you?

What I do see is the right wing media and Tories, trying to use last weeks outrage to drag up something from years ago to deflect from the day to day issues and their disaster of a manifesto.

What I saw was Corbyn immediately use the Manchester outrage to blame it on the Government's foreign policy and supposed cuts to policing, when all experts will tell you the two do not equate.

People are more concerned about the NHS

I must not be the only one who is sick to the back teeth of hearing about the NHS, a behemoth of a bottomless money pit, that if you gave it the entire nations GDP it still wouldn't be enough. Hard choices and difficult changes are needed in the NHS, it is unsustainable and more money is not the answer.

social care

Again somebody has to pay for it. If you have the assets to contribute then you should. I thought the policy was a fine example of socialism in action. The Richest pay. Don't understand why Labour are against it.

housing,

Haven't read either party's policy on this, no doubt both will promise to build more houses. As some whose partner works in the housing industry, it's less about money from central govt and more about getting the local authorities to approve schemes. The LA's moan, but they are full of nimby-ists.

wealth inequality

We all know socialism is the politics of envy, unless it's those with their noses in the trough helping themselves. Do as I say not as I do is the mantra of the metropolitan liberal elite labourites.

tuition fees.

I'm all for lower tuition fees, and grants. But there needs to be a rebalancing in regards to who goes to university and what they study.

Subjects should be graded, e.g. STEM subjects, Medical subjects should be highly subsidised, degrees. Arts degrees should be charged higher.

Back in the 80's only 3-5% of the population had a degree, now upwards of 25% of kids want to go to uni, it's not sustainable to fund it all. To accommodate this increase there has been a rise in sub-standard colleges and sub-standard degrees.

The mud slinging and name calling isn't working, only 6 points between the parties in the latest poll this morning. That's a record increase for a party during a campaign, the more both parties are exposed without media bias the closer they get.

Still can't see anything but a Tory win. Labour won't do as bad as predicted.

Originally Posted by Mr K

My Labour party? Not a member of the Labour party, or have ever voted Labour.
Brexit, time will tell, bit I think we've all 'lost'.
The gap between rich and poor in this country has never been greater. It isn't going to improve with this Govt.
As for Grammar schools great, but what about all the other kids?
Looking forward to the return of Fox hunting, will Sky do it on UHD? Theresa as an expert summariser on the killing?
However think we're straying from the thread subject a little...

From that well-known right-wing journal, the Grauniad.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-pensions-ons

The gap between Britain’s rich and poor fell sharply last year after a boost to the incomes of the poorest 20% and a squeeze on the richest fifth.

The Office for National Statistics said median disposable income for the poorest fifth of households had risen by £700, or 5.1%, in the year to April 2016, while the richest fifth of households saw their incomes fall by £1,000, or 1.9%, over the same period.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/in...-a3523081.html

The gap between the richest and poorest households in Britain is closing, according to the Office for National Statistics.

The wealthiest fifth of households took home nearly 12 times more in pre-tax income than the lowest-earning fifth in the financial year ending 2016. In 2015 top earners were taking home 14 times more income.

The report found that the average income for the richest fifth of households before taxes and benefits was £84,700 per year and for the poorest fifth it was £7,200.

However, after taxes and benefits were taken into account the ratio fell from 12 to one to four to one — with the richest household incomes at £63,300 as against £17,200 for the poorest.

[Ramrod]

Oops. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Mr K

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Oops. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Mr K

Yes and on the next puff choke on

Workers will earn no more in 2021 than they did in 2008

https://www.ft.com/content/d56b46f6-...7-5787335499a0

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes and on the next puff choke on



https://www.ft.com/content/d56b46f6-...7-5787335499a0

Yes, sadly that's when Labour tossed us into a recession. Cause and effect.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, sadly that's when Labour tossed us into a recession. Cause and effect.

Really I thought it was when there was a global banking crisis, good to see two nearly three government's on labour is still getting the blame for people earning less now than then, it's almost as if the coalition and call me Dave years never happened

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Really I thought it was when there was a global banking crisis, good to see two nearly three government's on labour is still getting the blame for people earning less now than then, it's almost as if the coalition and call me Dave years never happened

You have a funny way of showing that you aren't defending IRAbour.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

You have a funny way of showing that you aren't defending IRAbour.

I didn't realise criticising the Conservatives is defending labour, I thought it just meant I preferred facts to conjecture, supposition and tabloid bs, so that must mean all those times I criticised bliar and called for his war crimes trial I was actually defending the tories, frightening realisation

Originally Posted by Mr K

Imbecile? Just maybe not as blinkered and one eyed as others. The British Govt. were in constant behind the scenes negotiations with the IRA throughout the troubles.

UK Gov. was in constant contact with all parties in NI throughout the troubles, trying to understand where the opportunities for peace were.

Jeremy Corbyn was not in contact with all parties, he was in contact with the IRA and advocated their cause. There is a massive difference between a government willing to look for peace and a loony left Labour MP who thinks a bombing campaign is a justifiable way of over-riding the wishes of the majority of people in Northern Ireland.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

UK Gov. was in constant contact with all parties in NI throughout the troubles, trying to understand where the opportunities for peace were.

Jeremy Corbyn was not in contact with all parties, he was in contact with the IRA and advocated their cause. There is a massive difference between a government willing to look for peace and a loony left Labour MP who thinks a bombing campaign is a justifiable way of over-riding the wishes of the majority of people in Northern Ireland.

Yes, Corbyn has for many decades been highly selective about whom he meets, sympathises with and chooses to support or condemn. His past is catching up with him and now he's no longer just a pathetic back bench sideshow that's quite right and proper.