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Old 08-02-2017, 21:29   #16
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Re: UK Exit of EU (Brexit)

MPs have voted in favour of allowing the Prime Minister to trigger the formal process of leaving the EU by a Majority of 372.

For: 494.
Against: 122.

EU Exit bill Now passes to the Lords.

Meanwhile, Corbyn loses another Shadow cabinet minister, Clive Lewis has just resigned.
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Democracy has been shown the red card by Leave MPs including Boris Johnson, Andrea Leadsom, Chris Grayling. They have just cynically voted against the £350m pw they promised the NHS.
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Democracy has been shown the red card by Leave MPs including Boris Johnson, Andrea Leadsom, Chris Grayling. They have just cynically voted against the £350m pw they promised the NHS.
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Democracy has been shown the red card by Leave MPs including Boris Johnson, Andrea Leadsom, Chris Grayling. They have just cynically voted against the £350m pw they promised the NHS.
I am still waiting for that Emergency budget, that was needed after a leave result...

Next....
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I am still waiting for that Emergency budget, that was needed after a leave result...

Next....
I'll help by explaining the situation to you Mick. The chancellor who made that threat (George Osborne) has been kicked into touch. The Leave MPs I mentioned are still in power and breaking their promises whilst the NHS suffers one of its worst periods.
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I'll help by explaining the situation to you Mick. The chancellor who made that threat (George Osborne) has been kicked into touch. The Leave MPs I mentioned are still in power and breaking their promises whilst the NHS suffers one of its worst periods.
we are still paying the eu as we haven't left yet when we do leave we can spend the money on whatever we want to
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I'll help by explaining the situation to you Mick. The chancellor who made that threat (George Osborne) has been kicked into touch. The Leave MPs I mentioned are still in power and breaking their promises whilst the NHS suffers one of its worst periods.
No need to explain anything to me. The point you have conveniently missed or ignored is that there was LIES told on both sides.

As for your point above about the NHS and it's current situation. Unless it has escaped your attention, we are still in the EU and paying the membership fee, we are not out yet, the sooner the better, as far as I am concerned.

Who knows what will happen once we leave and where the membership fee money will go once we are finally out?

But the argument about the 350m per week has been done to death and, while I cannot speak for other brexiteers, it was not the reason I voted to leave anyway.
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No need to explain anything to me. The point you have conveniently missed or ignored is that there was LIES told on both sides.

As for your point above about the NHS and it's current situation. Unless it has escaped your attention, we are still in the EU and paying the membership fee, we are not out yet, the sooner the better, as far as I am concerned.

Who knows what will happen once we leave and where the membership fee money will go once we are finally out?

But the argument about the 350m per week has been done to death and, while I cannot speak for other brexiteers, it was not the reason I voted to leave anyway.
I'm not missing any point. This is not a debate on the morality or inaccuracy of any previous campaigns. These MPs had the chance today to give the NHS £350m pw when we leave the EU which is what they campaigned for. They have now cynically voted against what they campaigned for.
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I'm not missing any point. This is not a debate on the morality or inaccuracy of any previous campaigns. These MPs had the chance today to give the NHS £350m pw when we leave the EU which is what they campaigned for. They have now cynically voted against what they campaigned for.

the campaign bus slogan was

we send the eu £350 million per week
LETS FUND OUR NHS INSTEAD
it doesn't say give it all to the nhs it says lets fund it
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Add to that the campaigners said we could.Doesn't mean we would.

That said it depends how the economy does as to what we can put where.
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I'm not missing any point. This is not a debate on the morality or inaccuracy of any previous campaigns. These MPs had the chance today to give the NHS £350m pw when we leave the EU which is what they campaigned for. They have now cynically voted against what they campaigned for.
I am not bothered. It is what it is.. many MPs have voted against various promises offered over the years. Fact of life Politicians make promises they don't always keep.

All I am bothered about it that we are now leaving that corrupted pile of dog mess, oh look, Greece looking like it needs yet another bailout, how many is this so far ? The EU is not working and we are leaving, thank goodness!!!
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Oh yes Mick, Greece in focus as investors fear fresh crisis –as it happened
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I am not bothered. It is what it is.. many MPs have voted against various promises offered over the years. Fact of life Politicians make promises they don't always keep.

All I am bothered about it that we are now leaving that corrupted pile of dog mess, oh look, Greece looking like it needs yet another bailout, how many is this so far ? The EU is not working and we are leaving, thank goodness!!!
Greeks aren't working past 55 aren't paying taxes and aren't paying off their debt can't imagine whats wrong
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Greeks aren't working past 55 aren't paying taxes and aren't paying off their debt can't imagine whats wrong
When I left school I contracted with the Government to work until I was 65. Now I have to go to 66.

It's OK for the Government to change the boundaries but what would happen if I tried to say I can't work after 64?

Buggrall!
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we are still paying the eu as we haven't left yet when we do leave we can spend the money on whatever we want to
What the smurf said.

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I'm not missing any point. This is not a debate on the morality or inaccuracy of any previous campaigns. These MPs had the chance today to give the NHS £350m pw when we leave the EU which is what they campaigned for. They have now cynically voted against what they campaigned for.
The bus never said give the NHS 350million a week.


It said we give the EU 350M a week, let's fund our NHS.

That didn't give a value as to how much of the 350M we use.

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the campaign bus slogan was

we send the eu £350 million per week
LETS FUND OUR NHS INSTEAD
it doesn't say give it all to the nhs it says lets fund it
That would have saved me some typing.
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