June 8th General Election

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

How vary dare you Den my Indesit fridge freezer is far more attractive than the PM. In fact last night.....

All this Steptoe and fridge freezer name calling isn't exactly what we should be voting on is it? You'd think we're a nation of image obsessed drones who slavishly follow reality TV etc. and buy the tabloids so we can be told what to think and how to vote.

Welcome to generation snowflake!

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

So why is the gap between rich and poor increasing?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...h-poor-9733231

That's a forecast. What has happened in reality is this.

The squeeze in the wake of the financial crisis tended to hit richer households the most.

If you doubt me, re-read the article. So far all of the dire predictions of these economic experts have been wrong. Why should we continue taking notice of them?

[Mr K]

Bit of a nightmare performance from Mother weak and feeble Theresa tonight. "a blowhard who collapses at the first sign of gunfire", nice one Paxo.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/869297947971731456

You have wrong leader Mr K, she did better then JeIRAmy, who wouldn't order a drone strike on terrorists if UK lives depended on it. And he would accept any deal on brexit rather than walk away if it's potentially a bad one.

[OLD BOY]

How Labour ever got in the position of putting in place such a weak and ineffective leader they couldn't actually get rid of for poor performance, I will never know.

If that's an example of their decision making, God help us if they ever get back to power.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

How Labour ever got in the position of putting in place such a weak and ineffective leader they couldn't actually get rid of for poor performance, I will never know.

Corbyn got in because of this small but vocal minority of Labour's voter base. The mistake the MPs made were to include him on the ballot for the sake of 'debate' and allowing a system where people could pay £3 to vote without officially registering as a member. Although it should be said Corbyn ultimately won the union vote and the membership vote as well as that £3 supporter vote. It's also worth noting that Corbyn is clearly a good campaigner, his performance since May called the election has been much better and he does well in these debates/interviews. It's the day-to-day running of the party and political decision making he is bad at!

There is clearly a problem with allowing a small but active minority of voters, a selectorate, to decide these things. Unless you get a critical mass of voters then elections with such a minority can make decisions that impact far beyond what their numbers justify. It may seem undemocratic but having the party itself limit the candidates is a far better system than a free vote.

[arcimedes]

I thought that Paxman was very biased towards May compared with his aggressive attacking of Corbyn

Originally Posted by arcimedes

I thought that Paxman was very biased towards May compared with his aggressive attacking of Corbyn

I don't, I thought he was just as rough on her as he was on him.

Saw a lot of complaints online about Paxman and his style of interviewing, but I guess these young people, who worship JeIRAmy, were not around in the days when Paxman hosted Newsnight.

[Osem]

It's always the same every time anyone dares to question and press Corbyn on his very long record of lies and hypocrisy, the momentum brigade start crying 'foul'.

He likes to come across as a soft, cuddly old man when in fact he's an extremist and always has been. Just look at his previous form, the people who're propping him up and their appalling antics...

Originally Posted by arcimedes

I thought that Paxman was very biased towards May compared with his aggressive attacking of Corbyn

He accused her of being a "blowhard". I wouldn't call that soft.

[nashville]

I just hope the SNP lose a lot of seats, to put Sturgeon in her place,

[arcimedes]

Originally Posted by nashville

I just hope the SNP lose a lot of seats, to put Sturgeon in her place,

The one problem I see with that is who gets the seats. Dont want labour or tory which only leaves the liberals and green.

[ntluser]

My concern is that Labour may make the same mistake as they did under Gordon Brown's leadership where they tried to outbid the Conservative pledges still making promises even though there was insufficient funds in the Treasury.

Labour needs to show that it has learned from the mistakes of the past but on current showing this does not appear to be the case.

All of us have to live within our means and the massive debt problem we have in this country demonstrates that a lot of people are not doing that.

We need not only to get the deficit under control but also our personal finances.Living on credit is part of the problem not part of the solution.

Though Labour has some good ideas in principle, it does not seem to have the plan or resolve to see them through in practice. Austerity isn't pleasant and people can be forgiven for thinking that massive government borrowing and spending is the answer but then that's how we got into the deficit mess in the first place.

Once that deficit is gone and the government is back in credit, the government will have more money to spend to reduce austerity, but we need to avoid the situation of the past where one person's pay rise is another person's redundancy notice.

We also need to avoid situations which lead to strikes as they damage the economy and make austerity worse. Politicians of all parties would also do well not to award themselves large rises as this generates resentment and they need to show that we really are all in this together.

Over the years, as a nation, we have priced ourselves out of the market and relied too heavily on the financial sector to bail us out. We need to get back to producing goods at a lower cost and making our country self-sufficient again.

In order to compete we all need to get used to making do with less. If we don't the country will go bankrupt and then we will be in the same state as Greece with all its massive financial, social and economic problems.

Like the referendum vote, it will be very interesting to see how people vote in the election next week as sometimes the outcome may be something we all do not expect or plan for. Hopefully everybody will make the right decision but it does seem to be a choice of two evils as no party has policies that everybody will be happy with.

As with all these things we will have to wait and see and hope and pray for the best outcome.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by nashville

I just hope the SNP lose a lot of seats, to put Sturgeon in her place,

They could actually lose 10 at the very least if the nats prove less popular then they were at the last election.

[Osem]

It's Corbyn and those numbers again - I mean who'd have thought someone might ask our potential PM such a question FGS!



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40090520

This time it's the cost of a major policy, childcare, which he was supposed to be trumpeting.

He waffles on and on and claims he knows but the truth he hasn't got a bloody clue and that's because he's not concerned about the cost of anything. Labour never are. The true costs of Labour's misguided policies are always left for successive governments to pick up via the taxpayer.