Home News Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | Will Scotland Leave the UK?

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > General Discussion > Current Affairs

Will Scotland Leave the UK?
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-01-2012, 14:27   #1
Alan Fry
Permanently Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Radio Cairo, Hampstead, London
Services: 100 MB Broadband, XL Tv, Sky Sports and Movies HD, all other prenium channels, 3 TIVO, 2 V HD
Posts: 2,937
Alan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecart
Will Scotland Leave the UK?

With all this debate on if Scotland should become Independent from the UK and how they migh be achived, I would like to ask, why should we do about Scotland?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-16478121
Alan Fry is offline   Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Old 10-01-2012, 14:29   #2
Gary L
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,325
Gary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny star
Gary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny star
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry View Post
why should we do about Scotland?
I think you mean what should we do about Scotland.

I think we should assist them in every way possible in the split.
Gary L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2012, 14:32   #3
m8internet
Inactive
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 187
m8internet is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

It won't make any difference, it won't happen
Ironcially the UK treasury will be better off and stop having to subsidise Scotland
However Scotland will attempt to lay claim to the oil and gas revenues

It is more likely to happen when the North Sea oil and gas reserves dry up and the Atlantic reserves have to be opened up
At that point the UK treasury will try the firesale
m8internet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2012, 14:34   #4
LondonRoad
Inactive
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Services: 30mb BB, XL TV, V+, TiVo, talk unlimited.
Posts: 4,143
LondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny star
LondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny starLondonRoad has a nice shiny star
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Please send us food parcels and beer. Mark the food parcels "Not fit for Salmond consumption" or they may not reach the needy.

If you don't we'll remove our ginger genes from the gene pool.
LondonRoad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2012, 14:35   #5
Taf
cf.mega poster
 
Taf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Kairdiff-by-the-sea
Age: 68
Services: TVXL BBXL Superhub 2ac (wired) 1Tb Tivo
Posts: 9,784
Taf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny star
Taf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny starTaf has a nice shiny star
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

If independance happens, be ready for the mass migration south.

That'll leave Salmond and his sheep in peace.
Taf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2012, 14:49   #6
Russ
cf.mega poster
 
Russ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Up here
Posts: 36,518
Russ has a golden aura
Russ has a golden auraRuss has a golden auraRuss has a golden aura
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by m8internet View Post
It won't make any difference, it won't happen
Ironcially the UK treasury will be better off and stop having to subsidise Scotland
However Scotland will attempt to lay claim to the oil and gas revenues
The oil and gas do not belong to Scotland, it belongs to the UK as a whole. The fact it gets processed via Scotland does not mean they own it.

At the most, should they split from the UK, Westminster will broker a deal with them where they get paid to process it on our behalf. Either that or the probably more expensive suggestion of re-routing it around Scotland.
__________________
https://youtu.be/-sciUJKjUfM?si=K8mL-RBH6V-duVku

Vote #AnyoneButTory
Russ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2012, 14:57   #7
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 36,870
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Scotland will not vote to split from England. Poll after poll after poll has shown that the settled will of the Scottish people is to remain in political union. Alex Salmond has a very good reason for delaying his referendum until 2014 - delaying it as long as possible is the only means he has of delivering the SNP's long-term pledge of a referendum whilst desperately hoping that something, anything, will transpire to turn public opinion around. He will also hope to complete a full five-year term in office having not spent four years of it being accused of having no legitimacy, the likely consequence of a referendum having been held and lost some time last year. Furthermore he will want to carve out a reputation for the SNP as a viable, alternative centre-left Government for Scotland so, having lost a referendum on independence in 2014 he can still go to the country in 2015 and ask for a third term as First Minister.

The electoral rules that return MSPs to Holyrood were designed to prevent the SNP from ever getting an outright majority. To an extent this suited Salmond perfectly as he is a pragmatist and a gradualist when it comes to achieving a split from the Union. He knows that the time is not now, and being able to blame a Parliament he did not control for denying him a referendum bill was very convenient. Only in the last stages of the 2010 election campaign, when an outright win for the SNP began to look possible, did the SNP start rolling back it's referendum commitment as far as it possibly could (that being a delay, not a cancellation).

It is not properly appreciated south of the Border that the SNP won the election despite their separatist agenda, not because of it. They are the only effective opposition to Labour in Scotland and the overwhelming desire on the part of Scottish voters in 2010 was to get Labour out of power in Holyrood.

---------- Post added at 13:57 ---------- Previous post was at 13:53 ----------

Useful analysis in this morning's Torygraph by Labour's Douglas Alexander:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...sh-people.html
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2012, 14:59   #8
Hugh
laeva recumbens anguis
Cable Forum Team
 
Hugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 67
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 42,039
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Taf View Post
If independance happens, be ready for the mass migration south.

That'll leave Salmond and his sheep in peace.
Down here already....
__________________
There is always light.
If only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it
.
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
Hugh is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2012, 15:01   #9
denphone
Still alive and fighting
 
denphone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: In the land of beyond and beyond.
Services: XL BB, 3 360 boxes , XL TV.
Posts: 56,296
denphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden aura
denphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden aura
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
Down here already....
Yes and very welcome by the vast majority of English people.
__________________
“The only lesson you can learn from history is that it repeats itself”
denphone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2012, 15:09   #10
Alan Fry
Permanently Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Radio Cairo, Hampstead, London
Services: 100 MB Broadband, XL Tv, Sky Sports and Movies HD, all other prenium channels, 3 TIVO, 2 V HD
Posts: 2,937
Alan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecart
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

I my opnion, we should give more powers to scotland and alow them to rasie they own money for public spending, but as for indpendence, I do fell that this a good idea, my reasons are:

1. Scotland needs to be fianacally stable

2. How on earth are we going to split public boides liek the army etc

3. How would scotland be reprsented on the International stage?

4. What about the status of the Scot-Irish Catholic community?

5. What about the boder regions, The Scottish Borders are pretty much like Norhumberland, would they need passports just to go a few miles?

6. The status of the Royal Family?

7. Relations between Scotland and the rest of the British Isles?

8. Would the Independence of Scotland result in the further breakup of the UK?
Alan Fry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2012, 15:11   #11
Russ
cf.mega poster
 
Russ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Up here
Posts: 36,518
Russ has a golden aura
Russ has a golden auraRuss has a golden auraRuss has a golden aura
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry View Post
5. What about the boder regions, The Scottish Borders are pretty much like Norhumberland, would they need passports just to go a few miles?
You don't need a passport for Northern/Southern Ireland so you wouldn't need one for Scotland.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry View Post
7. Relations between Scotland and the rest of the British Isles?
Nothing to suggest they would change.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry View Post
8. Would the Independence of Scotland result in the further breakup of the UK?
Nothing to suggest that would ever happen.
__________________
https://youtu.be/-sciUJKjUfM?si=K8mL-RBH6V-duVku

Vote #AnyoneButTory
Russ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2012, 15:14   #12
Pierre
The Dark Satanic Mills
 
Pierre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: floating in the ether
Posts: 11,985
Pierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny stars
Pierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny starsPierre has a pair of shiny stars
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Whilst I have no love for the Scots or the Welsh........... or the Cornish for that matter.

I think everybody in the country knows that a break up of the UK would be a very bad thing.

If they do break up, would it be possible to remove Edinburgh and relocate it this side of the border, they can have the rest.
__________________
The wheel's still turning but the hamsters dead.
Pierre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2012, 15:14   #13
Alan Fry
Permanently Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Radio Cairo, Hampstead, London
Services: 100 MB Broadband, XL Tv, Sky Sports and Movies HD, all other prenium channels, 3 TIVO, 2 V HD
Posts: 2,937
Alan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecart
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
Scotland will not vote to split from England. Poll after poll after poll has shown that the settled will of the Scottish people is to remain in political union. Alex Salmond has a very good reason for delaying his referendum until 2014 - delaying it as long as possible is the only means he has of delivering the SNP's long-term pledge of a referendum whilst desperately hoping that something, anything, will transpire to turn public opinion around. He will also hope to complete a full five-year term in office having not spent four years of it being accused of having no legitimacy, the likely consequence of a referendum having been held and lost some time last year. Furthermore he will want to carve out a reputation for the SNP as a viable, alternative centre-left Government for Scotland so, having lost a referendum on independence in 2014 he can still go to the country in 2015 and ask for a third term as First Minister.

The electoral rules that return MSPs to Holyrood were designed to prevent the SNP from ever getting an outright majority. To an extent this suited Salmond perfectly as he is a pragmatist and a gradualist when it comes to achieving a split from the Union. He knows that the time is not now, and being able to blame a Parliament he did not control for denying him a referendum bill was very convenient. Only in the last stages of the 2010 election campaign, when an outright win for the SNP began to look possible, did the SNP start rolling back it's referendum commitment as far as it possibly could (that being a delay, not a cancellation).

It is not properly appreciated south of the Border that the SNP won the election despite their separatist agenda, not because of it. They are the only effective opposition to Labour in Scotland and the overwhelming desire on the part of Scottish voters in 2010 was to get Labour out of power in Holyrood.

---------- Post added at 13:57 ---------- Previous post was at 13:53 ----------

Useful analysis in this morning's Torygraph by Labour's Douglas Alexander:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...sh-people.html
I wolud agree with you on that, the only diffrence with the SNP and Scottish Labour is that one wants independence and the other only wants Scotland to be more self-governing!
Alan Fry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2012, 15:20   #14
djstevie
Inactive
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Glasgow
Services: Sky HD+ Multiroom, Sky BB Unlimited, Sky Talk Unlimited.
Posts: 424
djstevie is a glorious beacon of lightdjstevie is a glorious beacon of lightdjstevie is a glorious beacon of lightdjstevie is a glorious beacon of lightdjstevie is a glorious beacon of lightdjstevie is a glorious beacon of lightdjstevie is a glorious beacon of light
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

One Scot here that will be voting no.
djstevie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2012, 15:20   #15
jb66
cf.mega poster
 
jb66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 5,386
jb66 has a bronze arrayjb66 has a bronze arrayjb66 has a bronze array
jb66 has a bronze arrayjb66 has a bronze arrayjb66 has a bronze arrayjb66 has a bronze arrayjb66 has a bronze arrayjb66 has a bronze arrayjb66 has a bronze arrayjb66 has a bronze arrayjb66 has a bronze array
Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

plenty fresh water to sell if they did leave
jb66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:12.


Server: osmium.zmnt.uk
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.