Lower pay for NHS staff in poorer areas

[Fawkes]

Originally Posted by martyh

Maybe the government should examine why a tin of beans ,a litre of fuel or houses costs more down south for no apparent reason other than the location

The answer is because people get paid more so this leads to regional inflation, which in turn leads to pressure to increase wages.

A classic chichen and egg problem.

If the government thinks they are paying too much for services in 'the north' they should freeze their wages and over time inflation will do the rest. I don't think it is fair to simply cut wages.

Originally Posted by Chris

Seeing as nobody is being threatened with a cash terms pay cut, I don't think lifestyle or mortgage payments should be a concern. Differentials will open up over time. Anyone who has built a lifestyle on the size of pay increases they expect to get next year or the year after is living dangerously regardless of whether regional pay is introduced.

So what your saying is that the government will introduce the different scales by not increasing the wage yearly in certain areas untill the required difference is met ?.If that's the case i wouldn't trust the government with doing that correctly .It would be far too easy to massage cost of living figures for each area or simply making the usual balls up and just getting it wrong ,leaving people in a position where they would be in trouble because the cost of living in their area has risen above wage levels .A system like that would require regional inflation figures would it not ?

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Originally Posted by Peter_

All it means is that they will not give pay rises to the North as we can fend for ourselves by other means such as sharing a bed under a few coats.

In other words we are going to get done over by a government who believes civilisation only extends as far as Watford.

If this gets through the minimum wage is next for the chop

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Fawkes

The answer is because people get paid more so this leads to regional inflation, which in turn leads to pressure to increase wages.

A classic chichen and egg problem.

If the government thinks they are paying too much for services in 'the north' they should freeze their wages and overtime inflation will do the rest. I don't think it is fair to simply cut wages.

IIRC that is the sort thing they're thinking of doing. In the future giving smaller increases to certain areas, rather than direct cutting of wages.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by nomadking

IIRC that is the sort thing they're thinking of doing. In the future giving smaller increases to certain areas, rather than direct cutting of wages.

They want people in the North to accept minimum wages for the same job as people south of Watford, would you be happy doing what they do for that kind of money, remember these people still have to pay mortgages or rent plus all the other living expenses.

If this goes ahead the will be strikes and they will be well supported.

Originally Posted by Peter_

They want people in the North to accept minimum wages for the same job as people south of Watford, would you be happy doing what they do for that kind of money, remember these people still have to pay mortgages or rent plus all the other living expenses.

If this goes ahead the will be strikes and they will be well supported.

can't have us northeners having too much disposable income ,we'll be getting rid of the flat caps and clogs in favour of bowlers and real shoes .

[nomadking]

They are employed by a Local authority of one sort or another, they should be paid on that local basis. It is about equalising pay between the public and private sectors in those areas. The public sector is being paid way over the odds/going rate for those areas.

[Fawkes]

Originally Posted by Peter_

They want people in the North to accept minimum wages for the same job as people south of Watford, would you be happy doing what they do for that kind of money, remember these people still have to pay mortgages or rent plus all the other living expenses.

If this goes ahead the will be strikes and they will be well supported.

The government, just like any employer wants to pay as little as possible to attract the staff they need. It just so happens that south of Watford the figure is higher due it increased living cost.

I want the government to get value for money for services. That's not to say staff shouldn't be paid properly.

[mertle]

Out all policies to come out this government this by far the worst and most dangerous to our livelyhoods.

I hope for god its dropped to the bin it deserves.

We have 2 solutions my opinion Sort out the mess in south east living standards move it back to real world. The other is for union break up maybe this is the groundwork for this to happen. Split of physical north and south where both run as seperate entities parliments.

Like martyh said can of beans should as example say 26p whether its newcastle or london. Which goes for the same house prices and land costs. Until we end imbalance of UK the sooner we solve the country crisis. I would rather them slowly drop the weighting of london which all it did was drive house prices through the roof.

Its not northerners dragging country into hole its south east until government wakes up smells the coffee we wont see things change. Dropping wages will potentially throw the country into turmoil too. All that loss of money into the economy will be death nell to uk.

One thing london forgets is they quite happy getting northern business/individuals money but its hell with investing in these areas seriously. All they do is just hand out enterprise zones like confetti but dont really do anything.

Now this plan drop the wages further stiffling and collapsing local economies with it. As this the stark reality would happen parts of the country will become ghost towns with third rate services.

The south east will get so too belly heavy literally obesse from its greed. Those who can will flea north for the south in large migration numbers to try get there share too.

Ports will die businesses will cease economy will collapse.

Maybe the government want the north to turn into desolate slums.

Originally Posted by mertle

Out all policies to come out this government this by far the worst and most dangerous to our livelyhoods.

I hope for god its dropped to the bin it deserves.

We have 2 solutions my opinion Sort out the mess in south east living standards move it back to real world. The other is for union break up maybe this is the groundwork for this to happen. Split of physical north and south where both run as seperate entities parliments.

Like martyh said can of beans should as example say 26p whether its newcastle or london. Which goes for the same house prices and land costs. Until we end imbalance of UK the sooner we solve the country crisis. I would rather them slowly drop the weighting of london which all it did was drive house prices through the roof.

Its not northerners dragging country into hole its south east until government wakes up smells the coffee we wont see things change. Dropping wages will potentially throw the country into turmoil too. All that loss of money into the economy will be death nell to uk.

One thing london forgets is they quite happy getting northern business/individuals money but its hell with investing in these areas seriously. All they do is just hand out enterprise zones like confetti but dont really do anything.

Now this plan drop the wages further stiffling and collapsing local economies with it. As this the stark reality would happen parts of the country will become ghost towns with third rate services.

The south east will get so too belly heavy literally obesse from its greed. Those who can will flea north for the south in large migration numbers to try get there share too.

Ports will die businesses will cease economy will collapse.

Maybe the government want the north to turn into desolate slums.

I disagree with this policy Mertle but i don't think Armageddon will be the result

[TheDaddy]

Lower pay for NHS staff in poorer areas

I don't like the sound of that one bit tbh, you think that the government with it's PR and BS machines would have come up with Higher pay for NHS staff in richer areas it kind of sounds a bit more reasonable to me like that.

[nomadking]

The current situation is effectively lower pay in richer areas and overpaid in poorer areas.

Companies that operate in different countries pay the going rate for each country separately. This is the same principle.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Lower pay for NHS staff in poorer areas

I don't like the sound of that one bit tbh, you think that the government with it's PR and BS machines would have come up with Higher pay for NHS staff in richer areas it kind of sounds a bit more reasonable to me like that.

tbf, the headline is Guardianista-speak, not HMG-PR - the Government call it Regional Pay...

Originally Posted by Hugh

tbf, the headline is Guardianista-speak, not HMG-PR - the Government call it Regional Pay...

Yes Hugh i make you right on that one.

Though Iain Dale was talking about this on his LBC show yesterday morning,and it turns out this "regional pay" will apply to staff only if bought in, the upper management have been exempted surprisngly er not!,even Iain Dale had to take issue with the built in unfairness in that one.

[Osem]

Let's not run away with the notion that there's no poverty in London.

London is the most unequal region in England and income is more concentrated at the top than elsewhere. It has the highest proportion of households in the top tenth of incomes nationally, and the highest proportion in the bottom tenth...

London has the highest rate of income poverty of any region in England (after housing cost). Inner London in particular has the highest rates for all age groups (children, working-age adults and pensioners)...

http://www.poverty.org.uk/reports/lo...20findings.pdf

According to this:

http://endchildpoverty.org.uk/files/...k-part-one.pdf

12 of the top 20 worst constituencies for child povery are in London.

Yes I know fat cats and bankers tend to make most of the headlines for obvious reasons...

[nomadking]

If you keep importing poverty, what else do you expect?