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Old 17-02-2017, 13:01   #256
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Nice misconception there, Trump is an elected Head of State, Leader of a Country, voted in by millions, Corbyn is just an elected leader of a party by a few hundred thousand party activists and Labour supporters, big big difference.

Being a liberal and Anti-Trump you're bound to say Trump is struggling, I have seen no evidence of any such thing, he is doing practically everything he said he was that got him elected. I wouldn't call that struggling.

Corbyn's struggles are, that he is deeply unpopular with core Labour Supporters who can no longer support the party with him as the leader, Trump's supporters seem to be very very happy, hence why I feel comparing them as the same is very absurd.

This business of some people being outraged at his Press conference yesterday, so bloody what, that was the Trump I saw, all during the campaign trail. That conference was for his supporters, he is feeding his supporters and they are loving it regardless if he says a few things that are not factually correct, they don't care.

I believe he is holding a massive rally in Florida over the weekend, that will probably be packed to the rafters.

The force behind the anti trump and anti Brexit is globalism. Now, globalists are not going to come and say, "Were globalists and are anti Trump and anti Brexit because they still believe in Sovereign Nations". No, they know people would laugh at them. So they keep quiet about their true aims, and use whatever means they can to discredit both Trump and Brexit in the eyes of the public. They are ably helped in their deception by the liberal leaning press.


Trump and Brexit have really upset the NWO elitists, and they're fighting back with everything they can think of.


It's time the globalist NWO supporters fessed up and admitted exactly where they are coming from.
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

What on earth was that press conference all about??

It was embarassing to watch but also highly entertaining.
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

So the leaks were real (which means what was leaked was true), but the reporting of them was fake....

Interesting viewpoint....

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https://www.ft.com/content/dec677c0-...5-95d1533d9a62
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The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade.

The think-tank found that although there has been a steep decline in factory jobs, the manufacturing sector has become more productive and industrial output has been growing.

“Simply put, we are producing more with fewer people,” notes Mireya Solís, a senior fellow at Brookings.

US factories have been achieving this by gradually replacing human labour with robots.

“Automation has transformed the American factory, rendering millions of low-skilled jobs redundant. Fast-spreading technologies like robotics and 3D printing will exacerbate this trend,” says Ms Solís.

The Boston Consulting Group has estimated that while “a human welder today earns around $25 per hour, including benefits, the equivalent operating cost per hour for a robot is around $8”.
While some jobs have been lost to shifting to overseas production, a larger number have been lost to automation = those jobs aren't coming back.
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Old 17-02-2017, 13:44   #259
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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What I'm comparing the two on is delivery and cohesion. Both are lacking in this respect. We've seen Trump's travel ban fail, we've seen national security adviser Michael Flynn being forced to resign over cosy chats with the Russians before gaining power, we've seen the uncertainty over whether his son-in-law can take a position in Government amongst many other travails.
As I said, Trump seems to be trying harder than Corbyn but that doesn't make him effective.
By contrast to Corbyn and Trump, I would cite Theresa May as an effective leader in delivery and cohesion.

What about the success he has had, within just a few weeks to bring back major industries to the US who were planning to build outside the US?


What about the successful meeting with the Unions, who were shocked an flabbergasted that a President wanted to meet with them to hear their views?


Or the meeting with Educators, of all institutions to get their views on how to improve education opportunities for all.


The meeting with female business leaders.


And from yesterday's speech, he has been trying to get in touch with Black Community Leaders to discuss the inner cities, but has been blocked by pressure from the democrats on such people not to meet with him. I hope the lady reporter that was involved in this manages to get something set up; Trump clearly was keen for her to do so.


All this info is available via Youtube from the Whitehouse, along with daily press briefings including Q&A. You can then compare and contrast with the BBC coverage.
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What about the success he has had, within just a few weeks to bring back major industries to the US who were planning to build outside the US?


What about the successful meeting with the Unions, who were shocked an flabbergasted that a President wanted to meet with them to hear their views?


Or the meeting with Educators, of all institutions to get their views on how to improve education opportunities for all.


The meeting with female business leaders.


And from yesterday's speech, he has been trying to get in touch with Black Community Leaders to discuss the inner cities, but has been blocked by pressure from the democrats on such people not to meet with him. I hope the lady reporter that was involved in this manages to get something set up; Trump clearly was keen for her to do so.


All this info is available via Youtube from the Whitehouse, along with daily press briefings including Q&A. You can then compare and contrast with the BBC coverage.
Plenty of people have had meetings. It's results that matter. Also it's absurd to contract the BBC with the official line of the White House.
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What about the success he has had, within just a few weeks to bring back major industries to the US who were planning to build outside the US?
Most of those announcements were simply re-announcements of existing plans but I give him credit for Ford which he wrong-footed. As for GM and the others, Trump knows these were re-announcements but was more than happy for the re-announcements to be made as he knows his supporters won't work this out and it suits his image. Everyone wins, what's not to like?

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PR executives pointed to how General Motors dealt with a January 3 tweet in which Mr Trump threatened to slap a “big border tax” on the carmaker if it continued to import vehicles manufactured in Mexico.
Soon after, GM announced it would relocate part of its Mexican production to the US and pledged to invest $1bn in the US, safeguarding 1,500 jobs. Mr Trump immediately hailed the move as a big win. In reality, the carmaker had already been shifting work from Mexico to the US for some time.
“They repackaged old news,” said one PR executive. “There is nothing wrong with that and Trump thanked them for it.”

Walmart, which employs more Americans than any other private company, recently said it would add 10,000 jobs this year — a result of planned store openings and expansions first announced in 2016. The retailer was rewarded with an upbeat tweet from Mr Trump.
https://www.ft.com/content/b3a3c99c-...5-9e5580d6e5fb

Google: Corporate America employs new tactics to avoid Trump ire

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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Most of those announcements were simply re-announcements of existing plans but I give him credit for Ford which he wrong-footed. As for GM and the others, Trump knows these were re-announcements but was more than happy for the re-announcements to be made as he knows his supporters won't work this out and it suits his image. Everyone wins, what's not to like?


https://www.ft.com/content/b3a3c99c-...5-9e5580d6e5fb

Google: Corporate America employs new tactics to avoid Trump ire

If that is the case, why didn't it happen under the early years of Obama?
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If that is the case, why didn't it happen under the early years of Obama?
Obama created a lot of jobs: http://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/508600...en-in-8-charts

However he did come into an immediate and drastic recession when he arrived. Despite what some will claim on here the 2008 recession wasn't his fault (Lehman collapsed in September 2008, Obama won in November 2008 and took office early 2009).
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If that is the case, why didn't it happen under the early years of Obama?
Companies have specifically reacted to Trump's tweets attacking either them or similar companies to them. Obama did not attack companies by Twitter.
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Plenty of people have had meetings. It's results that matter. Also it's absurd to contract the BBC with the official line of the White House.

No one is suggesting that they do. But all most people see is the BBC's analysis. People, if serious about this, should get the official report direct from the source (including reporters questions) then listen to the BBC and make up their own mind.


I don't know if the BBC aired the part where Trump spoke to the reporter about black community leaders and his keenness to speak to them but was being prevented by Democrat interference. If they didn't, the BBC should have, because they are constantly inferring that he is racist.

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Companies have specifically reacted to Trump's tweets attacking either them or similar companies to them. Obama did not attack companies by Twitter.

Well maybe Obama should have done. In reality, it was more to do with Obama's globalist tendencies; he was an attendee of Bilderberg Meetings, along with David Cameron and George Osbourne, to name just a few.



You can look at it how you like, but it will actually be done in reality under Trump's watch, not Obama's.
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Companies have specifically reacted to Trump's tweets attacking either them or similar companies to them. Obama did not attack companies by Twitter.
No because he was a dull, soft and boring President.

Again, with you not following the program, with your liberal stance. Trump uses Twitter, certainly to bash and the fact he is still doing it as the President is unprecedented, but he is doing it to get the message out to his supporters, he has said, he don't need the left-leaning, dishonst biased media, he says he has a bigger far reaching audience via twitter with 25 million followers, of which has doubled since he became President, so he must be doing something right to attract so much interest in his tweeting activities and what's more, as he tweets, most of his messages get read out across the news networks anyway, netting free publicity, in to the bargain.
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No because he was a dull, soft and boring President.

Again, with you not following the program, with your liberal stance. Trump uses Twitter, certainly to bash and the fact he is still doing it as the President is unprecedented, but he is doing it to get the message out to his supporters, he has said, he don't need the left-leaning, dishonst biased media, he says he has a bigger far reaching audience via twitter with 25 million followers, of which has doubled since he became President, so he must be doing something right to attract so much interest in his tweeting activities and what's more, as he tweets, most of his messages get read out across the news networks anyway, netting free publicity, in to the bargain.
The reasons why Trump uses Titter are irrelevant here. Passingbat asked me why these companies did what they did. I explained that they were reacting are trying to pre-empt, Trump's attacks on Twitter.
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No because he was a dull, soft and boring President.

Again, with you not following the program, with your liberal stance. Trump uses Twitter, certainly to bash and the fact he is still doing it as the President is unprecedented, but he is doing it to get the message out to his supporters, he has said, he don't need the left-leaning, dishonst biased media, he says he has a bigger far reaching audience via twitter with 25 million followers, of which has doubled since he became President, so he must be doing something right to attract so much interest in his tweeting activities and what's more, as he tweets, most of his messages get read out across the news networks anyway, netting free publicity, in to the bargain.
Have you seen some of the responses to his tweets. He may have a lot of followers but an awful lot are following so they can express their feelings toward him.
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No because he was a dull, soft and boring President.

Again, with you not following the program, with your liberal stance. Trump uses Twitter, certainly to bash and the fact he is still doing it as the President is unprecedented, but he is doing it to get the message out to his supporters, he has said, he don't need the left-leaning, dishonst biased media, he says he has a bigger far reaching audience via twitter with 25 million followers, of which has doubled since he became President, so he must be doing something right to attract so much interest in his tweeting activities and what's more, as he tweets, most of his messages get read out across the news networks anyway, netting free publicity, in to the bargain.
Problem is all the media is 'biased'. It's the default reaction to any criticism. Everyone from the BBC to Fox News, the AP to Reuters, the New York Times to the Washington Post is biased dishonest media. Conveniently this leaves only the White House and Trump's Twitter feed as a genuine source of news. Any criticism is 'dishonest, biased, liberal' fake news as is any bad poll.

The leaks from the White House are fake news (even though he seems to confirm they're leaks).
Bad approval ratings are fake news.
The popular vote total is fake voters.
The margin of electoral victory is fake maths.
The judges are using fake law.
The executive order causing green card holders to be barred is fake implementation (by Clinton!).

Everything is a lie or the fault of someone else (usually dishonest liberals) to Trump.
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Have you seen some of the responses to his tweets. He may have a lot of followers but an awful lot are following so they can express their feelings toward him.
I think that is sad. Following someone they cannot stand it is just bizarre, a bit like when you watched the news conference yesterday and I get the fact you and others can't stand the guy, I ask, why watch him/follow him? Makes absolutely no sense to me. I certainly would not watch a news conference or feel urged to go read what Clinton would say, if heaven forbid, she had won the Presidency, that's if we would still be here, given Russia was reportedly gearing up and preparing for war if she had won.
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