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Old 11-11-2017, 20:54   #721
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Political parties come out with cheap insincere lip service remarks saying they will root out these things but even when l am long dead l suspect nothing much will have changed sadly.
I agree and I'm just pointing it out for those who seem to feel Labour are paragons of virtue compared to their opponents. They're clearly not.
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I agree and I'm just pointing it out for those who seem to feel Labour are paragons of virtue compared to their opponents. They're clearly not.
Seems like it's you that's got one eyed syndrome .....
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It's great that Labour are so committed to stamping out the avoidance of tax via such devices as offshore companies/trusts that they're suddenly thinking about moving out of the shiny offices they rent from one such...

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No hypocrisy evident there eh?
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Old 12-11-2017, 17:58   #724
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The case of one eyed syndrome is confirmed.

I don't think Tory fan boys can preach on Tax evasion/avoidance, given the number of years they've been in power and allowed these loop holes to continue for the rich/famous/themselves. One rule for us, one rule for the plebs....
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The case of one eyed syndrome is confirmed.

I don't think Tory fan boys can preach on Tax evasion/avoidance, given the number of years they've been in power and allowed these loop holes to continue for the rich/famous/themselves. One rule for us, one rule for the plebs....
Well, Labour weren't exactly proactive on this during all the years they were in power. The Conservatives are at least working on this.
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Well, Labour weren't exactly proactive on this during all the years they were in power. The Conservatives are at least working on this.
Why have they waited 7 years??
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Why have they waited 7 years??
We all know of Labours failures when in power last but the onus has been on the Conservatives for the last seven years and thus so far l see considerable deteriorations rather then any improvements..
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We all know of Labours failures when in power last but the onus has been on the Conservatives for the last seven years and thus so far l see considerable deteriorations rather then any improvements..
Well look at the mess inherited by the new government in 2010 after Labour's 13 years in power. The Tories didn't have a majority like Labour enjoyed throughout their tenure, they had to form a coalition and it's only been since 2015 that we've had a Tory government in office so let's not blame them for everything that's happened since Labour got the boot.
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Why have they waited 7 years??
Why did Labour wait 13?

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We all know of Labours failures when in power last but the onus has been on the Conservatives for the last seven years and thus so far l see considerable deteriorations rather then any improvements..
I think you underestimate the length of time it takes to fix a broken economy, old chap. Labour didn't have a clue.

And they still believe in the money tree. Even now. Will they never learn? You don't need to respond, we all know the answer to that.

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Well look at the mess inherited by the new government in 2010 after Labour's 13 years in power. The Tories didn't have a majority like Labour enjoyed throughout their tenure, they had to form a coalition and it's only been since 2015 that we've had a Tory government in office so let's not blame them for everything that's happened since Labour got the boot.
Quite right. And now they are trying to manage very serious issues in a minority government, with Labour trying to trip them up every step of the way.
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Why did Labour wait 13?[.

But one is not talking about the Labour party and its disasters as its the Conservatives who are in power and yet you seem to want to absolve them of any responsibilities for this countries current ills and their policy disasters which there are many..

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I think you underestimate the length of time it takes to fix a broken economy, old chap. Labour didn't have a clue.
Yep Labour did not have a clue but the Conservatives are just as hopeless IMO as we see in this current mess.

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And they still believe in the money tree. Even now.
Well the Conservatives seem to adopted that same policy of late unless you have convenient memory loss.

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Quite right. And now they are trying to manage very serious issues in a minority government, with Labour trying to trip them up every step of the way.
And if the roles were reversed they were not do exactly the same thing?.
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But one is not talking about the Labour party and its disasters as its the Conservatives who are in power and yet you seem to want to absolve them of any responsibilities for this countries current ills and their policy disasters which there are many..

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Yep Labour did not have a clue but the Conservatives are just as hopeless IMO as we see in this current mess.

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Well the Conservatives seem to adopted that same policy of late unless you have convenient memory loss.

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And if the roles were reversed they were not do exactly the same thing?.
Not really but you do have to accept the scale of the financial mess that was inherited from Labour in 2010 which was unprecedented in our lifetimes. No matter what mistakes the Tories have made the country was in a far more perilous position in 2010 than it was when Blair and Labour took the helm in 1997. That's a fact and many of the decisions made by Brown and Blair are going to haunt this country for decades no matter who's in power.

FWIW I think the UK specifically and the world in general is in the most difficult position since WWII and it's about time our politicians recognised that and started working on achieving a concensus of opinion on how we steer ourselves out of the mire. It won't happen of course because power is what they all want and they'll happily scupper the other side simply to achieve it, without really thinking too much about the consequences of chaos.
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The UK was moderately placed to deal with the banking crisis when it came. At some point the Conservatives should have to answer as to why our growth continues to be stagnant whilst even the bloody Eurozone is growing nicely. America went down the stimulus route after the crash and their economy has been doing far better than ours.
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FWIW I think the UK specifically and the world in general is in the most difficult position since WWII and it's about time our politicians recognised that and started working on achieving a concensus of opinion on how we steer ourselves out of the mire. It won't happen of course because power is what they all want and they'll happily scupper the other side simply to achieve it, without really thinking too much about the consequences of chaos.
Although Brexit's effects are unknown and have caused a great set back in investment and an uplift in inflation, I would argue that the banking crisis of 2007/8 was the most difficult since WW II for many countries.
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A former Cabinet Minister has shocked Piers Morgan today by declaring that embattled Theresa May should be "put down".

Ex-Tory MP David Mellor made the sensational comments this morning on Good Morning Britain.

He quickly added that he meant "politically" not literally - but admitted that she is powerless.

Speaking to ITV today he said of the Prime Minister: "It's what Norman Lamont once said about John Major - in office but not in power. I think probably, she has to be put down, I really do."

Host Piers Morgan then attempted to clarify his words: "politically, you mean? You don't mean literally... a little bit drastic."
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Many a true word spoken in jest?

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Labour is facing further questions about anti-Semitism in its ranks after a council seat hopeful made offensive remarks about Jews.

Writing on Facebook, Nasreen Khan said British schools were "brainwashing us and our children into thinking the bad guy was Hitler".

She is one of two people who have been shortlisted by the party to contest a safe seat on Bradford council.

Khan, a former member of George Galloway's Respect Party. made the comment on Facebook five years ago.

She added there "worse people than Hitler in this world" and "what have the Jews done good in this world?"

She also said the religious and ethnic group had "reaped the rewards of playing victims".
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That may have been a few years ago and she claims to regret those words but leopards rarely change their spots.
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