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Old 15-07-2017, 13:27   #2056
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Re: Unstoppable migration?

Italy plots ‘nuclear option’ to send migrants north

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Senior Italian government figures have threatened to allow 200,000 migrants who have reached its shores to travel across Europe by exploiting a little-known Brussels directive as the country struggles to cope with a huge rise in refugees fleeing north Africa.
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Senior Italian government figures have threatened to allow 200,000 migrants who have reached its shores to travel across Europe by exploiting a little-known Brussels directive as the country struggles to cope with a huge rise in refugees fleeing north Africa.

A minister and a senator are plotting to issue migrants with temporary EU visas in a move that has been described as a “nuclear option” for solving Italy’s refugee crisis.

Paolo Gentiloni, the prime minister, is livid that the rest of Europe has refused to take its fair share of migrants and that they have closed ports to rescue ships as the number of refugees attempting the treacherous crossing from Libya to the Continent has surged.

Mario Giro, the deputy foreign minister, and Luigi Manconi, a senator with the ruling Democratic Party, told The Times that issuing migrants with temporary visas was under discussion.

Mattia Toaldo, a senior analyst at the European Council on Foreign Relations, said: “If migrants continue to arrive and Italy decides to give them papers to cross borders and leave Italy it would be a nuclear option. Italians have lost any hope of getting help from the EU and may say, ‘If you won’t make it a common challenge, we will.’ ”

Mr Giro and others from the Democratic Party believe that Italy can exploit European Council Directive 2001/55, which was drafted after the Balkans conflict to give temporary European entry permits to a large number of displaced people.

Such a move would present an existential problem to the Schengen scheme, which allows all EU citizens to travel freely across the Continent.

It would also cause a diplomatic war with France and Austria, with whom Italy shares borders. The two countries have used dogs and the threat of armoured vehicles to push back migrants who try to enter by that route.

Mr Manconi said: “Letting migrants travel once they reach Italy would create a real problem for our EU neighbours. But I hope it would force France to confront the migrant problem head on.”

The plan would also be a sweet revenge for Rome, which has been forced by Brussels to open so-called hotspot centres to house, care for and process migrants sailing to Italy. In return, other EU states were supposed to accept a quota of migrants but they have reneged on the agreement.

More than 86,000 migrants have reached Italy this year alone — a 10 per cent increase on the same period the year before. In total the number of migrants in detention centres across Italy has reached almost 200,000 people, the country’s capacity.

“The EU wants Italy to keep migrants in hotspots for months and be a deposit for arrivals, which is unacceptable,” Mr Giro, who supports the visa plan, said.

Directive 55 was drawn up to offer EU states “exceptional” measures to offer “immediate temporary protection” in Europe to displaced people. While Mr Giro admitted that invoking it would require approval from EU members, and that opposition was likely, he said that officials were also discussing a second option last used when Silvio Berlusconi was prime minister, at the beginning of the Arab Spring.

In 2011 Italy invoked Article 20 of its so-called Bossi-Fini law that allowed it to hand temporary “humanitarian” visas to thousands of Tunisians who sailed to Italy during the Arab Spring, allowing them to go straight to France.

Mr Giro said: “We’d rather not use unilateral methods though, because the resulting dispute could wreck the Schengen treaty.”

Although the Italian government has not yet adopted the EU directive plan, any official threat to do so would echo threats made by Turkey to overwhelm Europe with migrants.

Yesterday the Italian coastguard disembarked 1,428 migrants, 100 of whom were children, at the Sicilian port of Catania. With traffickers earning at least €800 per passenger for the crossing from Libya, their takings this year alone are €68 million, helping to keep much of the Libyan economy afloat. That sum compares with the €45 million the EU has earmarked this year to help Libyan development programmes.

Italy’s border with France is already tense — both on the ground and politically. It is estimated that 13 migrants have died since September in or around Ventimiglia, some of whom were electrocuted while clinging on to trains.

This week a 23-year-old man from Gambia who had been sent back to Ventimiglia by French police after crossing into France stepped into the path of a lorry and was killed. There were suggestions that it was a deliberate act.

President Macron of France has said that most of those who travel to Italy are economic migrants rather than refugees, and he will not allow them into France.

Luigi Di Maio, the Five Star MP tipped to become Italy’s next prime minister, excoriated Mr Macron yesterday, blaming him for “the real refugee camp” now set up at Ventimiglia, which is packed with migrants removed from French streets.

“If Marine Le Pen had done that, the whole of Europe would be screaming ‘Xenophobia’,” Mr Di Maio said.

Italy’s borders with France and Austria fall within the Schengen zone, but the scheme benefits only EU citizens, allowing police to turn back migrants from outside Europe. This year the biggest group of migrants arriving in Italy comprises Nigerians, followed by Bangladeshis. A temporary EU permit supplied by Italy would allow the migrants — most of whom want to travel to northern Europe — to do so.

An EU deal struck in 2015 to distribute 160,000 migrants from Italy and Greece around Europe has been boycotted by eastern European members. Only 7,396 have been transferred from Italy, with Romania taking a mere 45.
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Old 15-07-2017, 13:39   #2057
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Re: Unstoppable migration?

It wouldn't surprise me. I think a number of countries have long been 'rubber stamping' large numbers of migrants and letting them head off elsewhere and I can understand why they'd do that for several reasons.

They're quite right about the blatant double standards evident too. Not a peep when an EU minister claims millions will swamp the EU but rabid screams of right wing extremism, racism etc. when Nigel Farage rightly predicted what has happened. It's so easy to shout, scream and hiss at the messenger when you don't like the message isn;t it but the facts and images are out there for all to see.
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Old 15-07-2017, 21:28   #2058
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Old 15-07-2017, 21:37   #2059
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Re: Unstoppable migration?

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And this is the reality of the EU's migration refugee/asylum policy in the Med:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-e...-mediterranean
Destroying the boats they arrive in has always seemed like a great idea to me. Preferably before the traffickers recover the engines. Or whilst they are doing so.
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Re: Unstoppable migration?

If Italy was allowed and had a very hard border to the north, or better still further south within Italy, how many of them would come? Do they see Italy as their final intended destination?
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Old 19-07-2017, 19:10   #2061
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Re: Unstoppable migration?

Meanwhile back in Blighty...

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The number of foreign-born mothers having babies in England and Wales in 2016 reached 28% - the highest level on record, official statistics show.
This figure has increased every year since 1990.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40655563
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Re: Unstoppable migration?

1 in 4 births to a foreign-born woman.

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Old 19-07-2017, 20:50   #2063
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We are being bred out and sooner then a lot think will the UK become a minority white nation not right wing knuckle dragging just fact birth rates in the white group are already low and last i heard still dropping though that was a couple of years ago so might not be applicable now. It's another of those subjects no one is supposed to talk about lest they immediately be labelled racist and incur the wrath of those more enlightened then anyone who dares raise the issue.
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Re: Unstoppable migration?

An interesting read about how a US management consulting firm was brought in by the German government to help speed up their struggling asylum system and the repercussions thereof. Essentially speeding up the decision making system to reduce the huge backlog of applications but resulting in a significant increase in mistakes being made and a vast number of appeals now clogging up the courts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.758ed19deea5

They may understand how to make efficiencies but do they understand the legal systems or do they even care? Sound familiar?

I reckon politicians put rather to much faith in 'consultants' than they should but of course they rather like being able to take any credit going whilst having the option of blaming the consultants when it all goes wrong. The consultants carry on talking the talk, picking up their millions and saying what their paymasters want to hear...

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Re: Unstoppable migration?

"Co-existence can only work in Germany if we all speak German" and wants all immigrants to learn the language.

Maybe that should extend to the Turkish "guest workers and their families. Or the tens of thousands Merkel let in?

Or just those who speak English?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/…/german-minist...-people…
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Re: Unstoppable migration?

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Daily Telegraph The Home Office has ordered an official review of Britain's immigration figures after new exit checks at the borders found there may be fewer immigrants in the country than previously thought.
The Government will reveal on Thursday that new border checks introduced last year found 97 percent of international students - one of the biggest groups of immigrants - left after finishing their studies.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ers-far-lower/
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Re: Unstoppable migration?

We keep being told that we need foreign workers to run our economy, however, with automation on the horizon there won't be enough jobs anyway.

If we are to allow EU migrants, refugees, economic migrants etc into our country (even those where it can be proved that they will benefit the UK holistically), the very least that we should do is make their entitlement to stay time limited whilst it suits and benefits us.

In time their will not be enough jobs for those morally and legally entitled to be here, let alone anyone else.

A citizens income may well have to be introduced, but it will be expensive and should be limited to certain residents to keep costs down.
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Re: Unstoppable migration?

35 Men found in 3-bedroom house in London, majority if them said to be Eastern European.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/20/rogue-...-home-6942510/

Come here for better life, yeah sure or to do very cheap Labour for a rogue employer.

But forget London, this is widespread, I live next to a property where about 20 Romanians lived. They did not follow refuse rules, just chucked their crap and their babies nappies in the alleyway. They have since moved out but they left the house and outside it, a right mess, curtains with burnt holes in them, hanging out of the windows.

I have said before, not against anyone coming here from afar, bringing with them skills needed for the jobs market, but I'm against this shambles, 35 men crammed in to a house.
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35 Men found in 3-bedroom house in London, majority if them said to be Eastern European.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/20/rogue-...-home-6942510/

Come here for better life, yeah sure or to do very cheap Labour for a rogue employer.

But forget London, this is widespread, I live next to a property where about 20 Romanians lived. They did not follow refuse rules, just chucked their crap and their babies nappies in the alleyway. They have since moved out but they left the house and outside it, a right mess, curtains with burnt holes in them, hanging out of the windows.

I have said before, not against anyone coming here from afar, bringing with them skills needed for the jobs market, but I'm against this shambles, 35 men crammed in to a house.
It is widespread and during an interview I heard on Radio London last night, I'm not surprised. A housing official was being interviewed about the case was very keen to stress that their aim wasn't to do the Border Agency's job for them and alert anyone to the presence of any illegals. Now why would that be? What sort of official policy would there be that deliberately turned a blind eye to illegality? It's just this sort of misguided thinking which leads to more people being exploited whether they be illegal or not. It's almost as if certain sections of our society don't want us to know the true extent of what's going on. Our towns and cities are full of exploitation like this and just as was the case with the child abuse scandal, very little is being done about it. Given the attitude of the official mentioned above I can understand why. If they came across a whole load of illegals they'd rather see them disappear off to get exploited somewhere else than report them to the proper authorities. It's nuts that we have sections of the public sector effectively working against each other.

The scale of fraud being committed is staggering. Does anyone seriously think the rogue landlords and any illegal tenants are paying tax, paying their way, being a net contribution to our society? That's just the start. How much benefit money is getting paid in one way or another to landlords operating premises just like this one and what do we imagine these people are using the money for or involved in? Charitable works or more criminal enterprise and exploitation?

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Been on the news that the amount of recent immigration has contributed to the fact that we are to face a water shortage in the future.
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