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Old 26-11-2017, 23:33   #46
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You forgot about him selling our gold reserves at rock bottom prices.

But Spot on. Could not have said it any better.
Yes well some people have very selective memories and prefer to fixate on the fax roll crisis within the NHS...
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Yes you're right, it does under the nasty party, that being currently the Labour Party in association with the Momentum lot.
only ever been and ever will be one nasty party that is the tories
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only ever been and ever will be one nasty party that is the tories
Really ? and there was me thinking it was the Nazi party (and current counterparts).
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Really ? and there was me thinking it was the Nazi party (and current counterparts).
really obliviously speaking about the labour and tories of course they worse else where in world
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Old 27-11-2017, 06:40   #50
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Or anywhere in the North of England. Electrification plans/promises for many lines has been abandoned. The rolling stock dates from the 1970s. Different story in London of course, unlimited money for Cross Rail. Just like the rich/poor divide, the SE/anywhere else divide gets greater. Tories divide and rule, no change there.
They still have those ancient Pacers in the North from what my Dad tells me and what a glorious ride they are apparently..

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Yes and why wasn't all that sorted during the 13 years of Labour when they had a parliamentary majority which meant they couldn't have been stopped and when Brown was spending money like it was going out of fashion? It didn't happen then and it wouldn't happen under those 2 Marxist dinosaurs Corbyn and McDonnell. Under them we'd wind up like Venezuela.
Governments from both sides are highly culpable for the complete lack of planning for the Railways and many other things in this country sadly as if both ditched their predictable political dogma and concentrated on giving this country some decent future infrastructure we would not have the shambolic mess that currently prevails sadly in this country on our important infrastructure.
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You forgot about him selling our gold reserves at rock bottom prices.

But Spot on. Could not have said it any better.
Another take on the gold sale

https://www.ft.com/content/5788dbac-...b-00144feabdc0

Remind me who was in charge last time we allowed the bank of England to sell half the gold for rock bottom prices, was it Ted Heath, I really can't recall
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They still have those ancient Pacers in the North from what my Dad tells me and what a glorious ride they are apparently..
Lol I was on one this morning Den ! Overcrowded, overpriced and late ! It has a charm, I think ! In the great public/private ownership debate, railways are not a good advert for the private sector (except for the shareholders).
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Another take on the gold sale

https://www.ft.com/content/5788dbac-...b-00144feabdc0

Remind me who was in charge last time we allowed the bank of England to sell half the gold for rock bottom prices, was it Ted Heath, I really can't recall
So this is where the debate is taking us, going back to seriously half a life time away of political mistakes, ok I have no problem with this.

So Ted Heath was PM early 70’s, just remember who and which party was in power after him and caused the Winter of Discontent, dead bodies piling up, because the grave diggers were on strike, rubbish piling up in street, the electricity going off at certain times of the day because the miners strikes. Cheers, thanks a lot for that Labour.

It took a Tory government to sort that mess out. Then the country suffered again for 13 years from 1997 to 2010, leaving the country penniless again.

It’s always the same with Labour, spend now, payback later, but not really, the Tories have to do that.
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So this is where the debate is taking us, going back to seriously half a life time away of political mistakes, ok I have no problem with this.

So Ted Heath was PM early 70’s, just remember who and which party was in power after him and caused the Winter of Discontent, dead bodies piling up, because the grave diggers were on strike, rubbish piling up in street, the electricity going off at certain times of the day because the miners strikes. Cheers, thanks a lot for that Labour.

It took a Tory government to sort that mess out. Then the country suffered again for 13 years from 1997 to 2010, leaving the country penniless again.

It’s always the same with Labour, spend now, payback later, but not really, the Tories have to do that.
Sort the mess out it would've sorted itself out, it's reciprocal, boom and bust all these people do with their little ideologies is make proples suffering worse and for every horrific Labour disaster there's a conservative one to match, sometimes exactly, how many people lost their houses under John major and iirc ted heath was in charge again during the miners strike, truth be known we could trade this of all day but the reality is I think I am actually sick to death of the whole dammed lot of them, there was a time when they offered hope to the electorate now all they have got is I might be bad but he might be worse
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I am not really sick of them, I think we have to be realistic into how much governments can influence the economy when it comes to growth and recessions, but I am sick of a relentless partisanship for parties rather than policies. People treat parties as football teams where their party is right and the other is wrong no matter what.

Look at the measure for controlling price rises from utility companies. It was economic illiteracy, full marxism, when 'Red Ed' introduced it. May puts it in the Manifesto and it was listening to the concerns of hard-working people.

Or Stamp Duty from this Government. Corbynites outraged and calling it as boon to the middle-class when their own manifesto had the same policy this very year.

It's increasingly clear people don't believe in anything other than supporting their party. You could switch the manifestos around and some people would strongly argue for it just as passionately.
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I am not really sick of them, I think we have to be realistic into how much governments can influence the economy when it comes to growth and recessions but I am sick of a relentless partisanship for parties rather than policies.People treat parties as football teams where their party is right and the other is wrong no matter what.

Look at the measure for controlling price rises from utility companies. It was economic illiteracy, full marxism, when 'Red Ed' introduced it. May puts it in the Manifesto and it was listening to the concerns of hard-working people.

Or Stamp Duty from this Government. Corbynites outraged and calling it as boon to the middle-class when their own manifesto had the same policy this very year.

It's increasingly clear people don't believe in anything other than supporting their party. You could switch the manifestos around and some people would strongly argue for it just as passionately.
That is why I piped up, one party seems to be getting a completely free ride no matter what they do simply because they're not the opposition and I'm not saying they can't have an influence I'm saying generally they don't because all they want to do is tinker around the edges
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I know you don't have to do the utilities as well but that's what Corbyn has been talking about and McDonnell has been banging on about privatising water citing Paris as an example and then denying he'd ever done so. They're as cynical as they are clueless.

https://order-order.com/2017/11/22/d...nells-honesty/

If nationalisation were that popular amongst UK tax payers we wouldn't have got to this point because our governments would have had no reason to fear spending what was needed by raising taxes. The fact that elsewhere in the world people are willing to pay for these things out of the common pot doesn't mean that's the case here. Anyway, if they carry on making these claims sooner of later they're going to have to come clean about the costs and spending implications and we'll see what people vote for.

Oddly, McDonnell still doesn't seem to be able to back up his claims with any numbers for how much privatisation amongst other things would cost. Last week he got all shorty with a reporter who dared to ask for some numbers yet he still hasn't got any. To think some folks imagine this guy could be Chancellor...

https://order-order.com/2017/12/03/m...ic-sector-pay/
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Looks like the Brexit negotiations are progressing well.
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Britain and the EU are on the brink of sealing a Brexit divorce deal on Monday, as Theresa May travels to Brussels with potential solutions in sight for the two biggest political obstacles to opening trade talks. Northern Ireland and the future role of European courts in Britain are the most sensitive issues still to be endorsed in a draft joint text that the UK prime minister aims to sign-off over Monday’s lunch with Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president.
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