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June 8th General Election
View Poll Results: Who would you vote for on 8th June?
Conservatives 47 48.96%
Labour 24 25.00%
Liberal Democrats 9 9.38%
UKIP 4 4.17%
Greens 2 2.08%
Other 5 5.21%
None, I will Abstain. 5 5.21%
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Old 20-04-2017, 11:06   #121
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Re: June 8th General Election

I see McDonnell reckons anyone earning £70-80k pa is rich. I dare say he's referring to all those MP's who for so long were telling us how poor they were and that's why they needed all those expenses to survive. Maybe he hasn't noticed that though.

Anyway, is a family relying on 2 wage earners with a combined income of £80k richer than a one earner family on the same income I wonder? I'd have thought the latter would already be quite a lot worse off and this plan would make it worse wouldn't it?

Still it appears only 5% of tax payers earn more than the figures McDonnell quoted so I'm not sure how much his extra tax would actually raise but I'm sure all his colleagues will be delighted to stump up and feel good about themselves even if it winds up costing UK PLC.

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A straw man argument. I've not mentioned hard or soft Brexit.
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Reports in the FT today saying that the Government is getting close to business again. Unlike Gove and Farage, it's been running its slide rule over the figures and realises that a sudden hard Brexit would cause large scale economic and social problems which are not what people voted for. Hopefully a sane, soft Brexit will prevail.
Not mentioned it? You sure?.....

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Hopefully all those new Lidl employees will press their MPs for a soft Brexit with freedom of movement and no tariffs.
I think we must have a 1andrew1 imposter.....

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The irony about this sort of deal is that the EU pays into the EU budget, accepts its legislation but cannot influence the legislation.

But the bigger picture is this - are Boris Johnson and David Davis preparing people for a soft Brexit with freedom of movement and paying into the the EU coffers? This will go down well with a lot of the country but not Farage and friends.


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Labour MPs not wanting to stand for re-election rises to double figures.... Labour MP for Slough, Fiona MacTaggart, is latest to say she won't stand.
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Really ? ....



Not mentioned it? You sure?.....



I think we must have a 1andrew1 imposter.....



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Labour MPs not wanting to stand for re-election rises to double figures.... Labour MP for Slough, Fiona MacTaggart, is latest to say she won't stand.
Rats deserting Corbyns's sinking Labour party ship.
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Really ? ....

Not mentioned it? You sure?.....

I think we must have a 1andrew1 imposter.....
Ha ha. I see what you've done but in the article I've referenced I've not mentioned hard or soft Brexit so why bring it up?
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Ha ha. I see what you've done but in the article I've referenced I've not mentioned hard or soft Brexit so why bring it up?
Are you being deliberately delusional?

It's true in that single one post, those words were not uttered by you, however, you have brought to the table, the article itself, that does mention it, several times, so you have essentially mentioned it by proxy and as my last post shows you have mentioned it in your posts for some time now.

So here is a "ha ha" back and a : to answer your 'why bring it up?'..
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Ha ha. I see what you've done but in the article I've referenced I've not mentioned hard or soft Brexit so why bring it up?
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Are you being deliberately delusional?

It's true in that single one post, those words were not uttered by you, however, you have brought to the table, the article itself, that does mention it, several times, so you have essentially mentioned it by proxy and as my last post shows you have mentioned it in your posts for some time now.

So here is a "ha ha" back and a : to answer your 'why bring it up?'..
If you want to criticise my use of the hard or soft Brexit term in the past then fine, quote it and criticise it.
But to quote a current post of mine that is not talking of hard or soft Brexit and to then start criticising me for using that terminology is a tad confusing and more argumentative than discussive.
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If you want to criticise my use of the hard or soft Brexit term in the past then fine, quote it and criticise it.
But to quote a current post of mine that is not talking of hard or soft Brexit and to then start criticising me for using that terminology is a tad confusing and more argumentative than discussive.
You're the one who is being argumentative. I am not. I am stating facts, the post IS discussing it. The very article itself that you have quoted mentions it.
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The first YouGov/Times voting intention figures following Theresa May's shock calls for a snap election sees a significant increase in voting intention for the Conservatives who are up four points to 48%. Labour meanwhile are on 24% (from 23% last week), giving the Tories a 24 point lead.

These results represent the highest vote share for the Conservatives since May 2008, and is also the strongest lead for the Tories since that period.

Elsewhere the Liberal Democrats remain on 12%, whilst UKIP's 7% is lowest since January 2013 (from 10% last week), and votes for other parties stand at 9% (from 10%).
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Are you being deliberately delusional?

It's true in that single one post, those words were not uttered by you, however, you have brought to the table, the article itself, that does mention it, several times, so you have essentially mentioned it by proxy and as my last post shows you have mentioned it in your posts for some time now.

So here is a "ha ha" back and a : to answer your 'why bring it up?'..
It's depressing that this new thread is settling in to a familiar childish and aggressive tone ..
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It's depressing that this new thread is settling in to a familiar childish and aggressive tone ..
It's depressing that people don't know how to discuss things properly, or in this instance, totally deny they raised such an issue or conveniently forget what they posted, but that's right, as always, it really is not surprising that you're bound to side with your remainer buddy.

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I know politicians have to be optimistic about their prospects but this is delusional:

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Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell insisted Labour would “shock people” with the way it would turn the polls around. And Jeremy Corbyn will today insist the Election result is not a “foregone conclusion”.
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Mr Goodwin (pollster) told the Sun: “Labour is facing a potent cocktail of problems.

“There are still not seen to be economically competent and they have one of the most unpopular leaders in British political history.

“But they also have a divided and unclear message on issues that ordinary families really care about, such as Brexit and immigration.
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You're the one who is being argumentative. I am not. I am stating facts, the post IS discussing it. The very article itself that you have quoted mentions it.
Asking someone "Are you being deliberately delusional?" is argumentative in my opinion.

I constructively avoided the use of hard/soft Brexit in my recent posts as I didn't feel that resurrecting the debate was constructive, but I appreciate that one of the four articles did say "soft Brexit, or a more market and economic friendly divorce from the continent."

The City's argument which people can agree or disagree with is that a good election result for Theresa May will help her to move the UK out of the EU in a manner which will be less of a shock to the system and can accommodate a transition phase and even some outsourcing of regulation to the EU for some time.

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Former Ukip MP Douglas Carswell to step down in Clacton
Move sees party’s ex-financial backer Arron Banks say he may ditch plan to stand for seat, where he had hoped to face Carswell
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Asking someone "Are you being deliberately delusional?" is argumentative in my opinion.

I constructively avoided the use of hard/soft Brexit in my recent posts as I didn't feel that resurrecting the debate was constructive, but I appreciate that one of the four articles did say "soft Brexit, or a more market and economic friendly divorce from the continent."

The City's argument which people can agree or disagree with is that a good election result for Theresa May will help her to move the UK out of the EU in a manner which will be less of a shock to the system and can accommodate a transition phase and even some outsourcing of regulation to the EU for some time.

---------- Post added at 16:32 ---------- Previous post was at 15:13 ----------

Former Ukip MP Douglas Carswell to step down in Clacton
Move sees party’s ex-financial backer Arron Banks say he may ditch plan to stand for seat, where he had hoped to face Carswell
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...own-in-clacton
I have a sneaky suspicion Farage may make his move on Clacton to get in to parliament, he has apparently said something about making a decision in next few days.

Oh btw, Andrew, I am glad you finally agree with me that you did raise the issue of soft brexit in the post, not necessarily you via your words but by highlighting the articles you quoted from.
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