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Old 15-08-2017, 13:47   #61
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Re: US: Violent clashes Charlottesville

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Not sure the need to add blasphemy either towards the end of your post.
Joining the PC brigade? He used a common slang term for expressing exasperation ..

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I do think Trumps hesitation in immediately condemning the Nazis in Charlottesville can and is interpreted by these terrorists as tacit support.

Trump just does not have the political instincts to become a statesman in the sense that the President of the US needs to be in today's world.
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Joining the PC brigade? He used a common slang term for expressing exasperation ..

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I do think Trumps hesitation in immediately condemning the Nazis in Charlottesville can and is interpreted by these terrorists as tacit support.

Trump just does not have the political instincts to become a statesman in the sense that the President of the US needs to be in today's world.
Obama's reaction was far more presidential, quoting Mandela.
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Old 15-08-2017, 14:00   #63
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Re: US: Violent clashes Charlottesville

If they would leave the damn statues in place where they have been for 100+ years then that would not give these nazi idiots a platform to march about statue removal.But no,the progressives want to keep pushing their agenda of airbrushing the parts of history which they find offensive.Where does this airbrushing of history stop?.Most of these clowns on both sides probably have no clue who Rbt E Lee was.They were mostly just the usual half-wit rent a mob who will demonstrate at the drop of a hat cause it's "cool" to demonstrate/protest in todays social media obsessed world.
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If they would leave the damn statues in place where they have been for 100+ years then that would not give these nazi idiots a platform to march about statue removal.But no,the progressives want to keep pushing their agenda of airbrushing the parts of history which they find offensive.Where does this airbrushing of history stop?.Most of these clowns on both sides probably have no clue who Rbt E Lee was.They were mostly just the usual half-wit rent a mob who will demonstrate at the drop of a hat cause it's "cool" to demonstrate/protest in todays social media obsessed world.
So what? We don't make decisions on what we do or we don't do because we're scared of the Nazis. If we've learnt anything from history it's that you cannot appease the Nazis.
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Is that how you are classifying the people that were peacefully protesting against armed Nazi's in Charlottseville ?
Those peaceful protesters who had batons and baseball bats and were attacking people with them? Plenty of videos showing them attacking first too. Just as bad as some of the other mob.

Even when the car drove in to the crowd, within seconds of it stopping there was a baseball bat and baton smashing the back window.

Not seen this mentioned elsewhere but the car had a cracked back bumper already as it was heading towards the crowd, so I wonder if something had happened beforehand too.
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Old 15-08-2017, 14:28   #66
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Well seems one statue has been pulled down by some citizens and other cities are going to remove confederate statues and they wonder why extreme right wing is on the rise. Perhaps if they just left history alone instead of rewriting it or erasing the parts they don't like idiots wouldn't have so much ch fuel to fire hatred. The south has it's history and it should be able to learn from it rather then have it erased or rewritten which will lead to it being romantically portrayed by the very idiots they are trying to ignore.
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Well seems one statue has been pulled down by some citizens and other cities are going to remove confederate statues and they wonder why extreme right wing is on the rise. Perhaps if they just left history alone instead of rewriting it or erasing the parts they don't like idiots wouldn't have so much ch fuel to fire hatred. The south has it's history and it should be able to learn from it rather then have it erased or rewritten which will lead to it being romantically portrayed by the very idiots they are trying to ignore.
A statue is there is honor someone, not to remind them of history. Simply put the objection to the statues is that they seem to be idolising those who fought against the union and for slavery (albeit that's a simplification of the civil war).

But disagreements about if it's right to take them down can be had without Nazis getting involved.
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If we've learnt anything from history it's that you cannot appease the Nazis.
Same can be said for some of those in BLM and those in Antifa.

Some of those associated with BLM in the U.S, have targeted and shot cops dead, did Obama call out and directly denounce BLM ?

With the shooting dead of several cops, by the hand of a committed black nationalist, Surely the Obama administration should have considered these cop assassinations, domestic terrorism and launched an investigation into groups associated with this ideology?

Did this happen?

Not at all. No, he condemned the shootings, but blamed the issue on 'vicious and powerful weapons' and he instructed his then attorney general, Lynch to turn this in to a gun ownership issue.

There was no demands for the Obama administration to condemn these ideology actions by BLM and call them out for what they did, quite unlike how Trump has currently been browbeaten to do so, with the showing of extremism from the Right.

It works both ways I am afraid, but clearly not from those on the left.
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Same can be said for some of those in BLM and those in Antifa.

Some of those associated with BLM in the U.S, have targeted and shot cops dead, did Obama call out and directly denounce BLM ?

With the shooting dead of several cops, by the hand of a committed black nationalist, Surely the Obama administration should have considered these cop assassinations, domestic terrorism and launched an investigation into groups associated with this ideology?

Did this happen?

Not at all. No, he condemned the shootings, but blamed the issue on 'vicious and powerful weapons' and he instructed his then attorney general, Lynch to turn this in to a gun ownership issue.

There was no demands for the Obama administration to condemn these ideology actions by BLM and call them out for what they did, quite unlike how Trump has currently been browbeaten to do so, with the showing of extremism from the Right.

It works both ways I am afraid, but clearly not from those on the left.
How are Black Lives Matter comparable to Nazis?
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How are Black Lives Matter comparable to Nazis?
Violent...

Pure Hatred Ideology.

Some, not all have Murderous intentions... i.e the cops being slain as demonstrated in my last post...

Vandalism and damage to property.

Is this not similar to a Nazi ?

I don't see how it cannot be...
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Violent...

Pure Hatred Ideology.

Some, not all have Murderous intentions... i.e the cops being slain as demonstrated in my last post...

Vandalism and damage to property.

Is this not similar to a Nazi ?

I don't see how it cannot be...
Well for one they're not a continuation of an ideology that invaded Western Europe and committed genocide against a race.

I think the main difference is the ideology of Black Lives Matter was to highlight the disproportionate shooting of black people by police. People in the group have done the things you state but that's never been supported by the wider group, it's not a goal of the group, it's not ordered by the group.

White Supremacy and the continuing the beliefs of the German Nazis is what these people are behind, they wove their flags and quoted their slogans.

You're taking the very worst of these groups and then comparing them to what is mainstream Nazi opinion.

Also, wider point, I don't think it's helpful to think of this is a right/left thing. It's a society vs Nazi thing. I don't think 'people on the right' should have to speak about these people.

We're in danger of having used the word Nazi so much we forget who we're actually talking about.

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You're taking the very worst of these groups and then comparing them to what is mainstream Nazi opinion.
I am sure BLM is meant to be a peaceful protest group and I understood their reasons for formation, but it's attracted rogue elements that can be compared to similar instances of those seen in Neo Nazi groups, albeit without the historical symbolism, i.e the Swastika flags etc etc.
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I am sure BLM is meant to be a peaceful protest group and I understood their reasons for formation, but it's attracted rogue elements that can be compared to similar instances of those seen in Neo Nazi groups, albeit without the historical symbolism, i.e the Swastika flags etc etc.
Ok and I am not contesting they have rouge elements. My point is that there isn't a 'good' or well-intentioned Nazi - they're just Nazis.
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Statues of confederate figures in the south are a reminder of that time in their history and are just being used as an excuse for the far right to kick off and pulling down or removing statues by other means doesn't wipe the history or the problems they represent. Slavery was a part of the south's history as was their opposition to the then north and there is a cultural aspect as many still relate to that southern history. Nazi's are **** whatever flavour of that disgusting ideology they may follow but if they had just been allowed to have their little bunde meeting they would have just shown themselves for the hate filled morons they are and wouldn't have been any relevance.

Sometimes as in this case protesting against something gives it more attention then it deserves and can have unpredictable and tragic consequences.
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Well for one they're not a continuation of an ideology that invaded Western Europe and committed genocide against a race.

I think the main difference is the ideology of Black Lives Matter was to highlight the disproportionate shooting of black people by police. People in the group have done the things you state but that's never been supported by the wider group, it's not a goal of the group, it's not ordered by the group.

White Supremacy and the continuing the beliefs of the German Nazis is what these people are behind, they wove their flags and quoted their slogans.

You're taking the very worst of these groups and then comparing them to what is mainstream Nazi opinion.

Also, wider point, I don't think it's helpful to think of this is a right/left thing. It's a society vs Nazi thing. I don't think 'people on the right' should have to speak about these people.

We're in danger of having used the word Nazi so much we forget who we're actually talking about.
I really don't get why people are talking about other groups so much on this thread.

Nazi supremacists walking round with Swastikas shouting death to the Jews are an offence to pretty much everyone left or right. Attacking them is not conceding points to the left.
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