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Old 19-02-2012, 16:47   #16
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Re: TiVo performance.

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To be fair the Sky+HD box has a lot less to do/process as there is not much to them. Nice box's, but low on features... My sister has a Sky+HD 1TB box.

The TiVo box is graphics/picture content rich.
Whilst this is true, there's still no excuse for it not being as quick as the Sky+HD box. Despite being content and graphic heavy, my iPhone 4S is just as quick to dial a number as my £10 pay as you go black and white screen back up phone.

This is because Apple have taken into account what needs to be done content heavy or not and put enough power in there to allow it to perform as you'd expect.

My 1TB TiVo box however doesn't change channels as fast as my 1TB Sky box.......
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Old 19-02-2012, 16:56   #17
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Whilst this is true, there's still no excuse for it not being as quick as the Sky+HD box. Despite being content and graphic heavy, my iPhone 4S is just as quick to dial a number as my £10 pay as you go black and white screen back up phone.

This is because Apple have taken into account what needs to be done content heavy or not and put enough power in there to allow it to perform as you'd expect.

My 1TB TiVo box however doesn't change channels as fast as my 1TB Sky box.......
I've used both and the difference is minor IMHO

Oh no this is going to turn in to a VM TiVo vs Sky+HD debate
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Old 19-02-2012, 16:59   #18
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Re: TiVo performance.

Isn't part of that the delivery system? Won't it always be slightly slower to change the channel on cable? When I type in a channel number the box itself responds immediately by displaying the info bar for the new channel-it's just the picture that takes time to catch up, something I've always assumed was to do with what was happening between the box and the network rather than in the box itself?
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Old 19-02-2012, 17:01   #19
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Isn't part of that the delivery system? Won't it always be slightly slower to change the channel on cable? When I type in a channel number the box itself responds immediately by displaying the info bar for the new channel-it's just the picture that takes time to catch up, something I've always assumed was to do with what was happening between the box and the network rather than in the box itself?
I think it's a bit of both. With a satellite system it's just content down, where cable has a two way connection.
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I think it's a bit of both. With a satellite system it's just content down, where cable has a two way connection.
So basically, with Sky you're already receiving the channel you're changing to, whilst with cable changing the channel involves the box sending an instruction for this to be done elsewhere?
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Isn't part of that the delivery system? Won't it always be slightly slower to change the channel on cable? When I type in a channel number the box itself responds immediately by displaying the info bar for the new channel-it's just the picture that takes time to catch up, something I've always assumed was to do with what was happening between the box and the network rather than in the box itself?
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So basically, with Sky you're already receiving the channel you're changing to, whilst with cable changing the channel involves the box sending an instruction for this to be done elsewhere?
Very interesting & something that I've not heard before. It doesn't explain the speed difference when browsing the TV Guide though.

Now that TiVo are starting to get there patents enforced and money from them rolling in I'd like to see them invest that improving the UI and optimising the menu systems.
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Re: TiVo performance.

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So basically, with Sky you're already receiving the channel you're changing to, whilst with cable changing the channel involves the box sending an instruction for this to be done elsewhere?
EH??

Do you think only 1 tv channel is being sent down your cable at a time? Then when you turn over the headend some how "switches channels" for you?

They're all there just on different frequencys, when you change channel the box just retunes to that channel.
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Old 19-02-2012, 17:22   #23
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Re: TiVo performance.

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So basically, with Sky you're already receiving the channel you're changing to, whilst with cable changing the channel involves the box sending an instruction for this to be done elsewhere?
No, not like that.

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Very interesting & something that I've not heard before. It doesn't explain the speed difference when browsing the TV Guide though.

Now that TiVo are starting to get there patents enforced and money from them rolling in I'd like to see them invest that improving the UI and optimising the menu systems.
TV Guide is just text really so no real processing required, that's why it so fast to page through
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Old 19-02-2012, 17:33   #24
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EH??

Do you think only 1 tv channel is being sent down your cable at a time? Then when you turn over the headend some how "switches channels" for you?

They're all there just on different frequencys, when you change channel the box just retunes to that channel.
I don't know how it works, hence the question mark!
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Old 19-02-2012, 17:50   #25
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Re: TiVo performance.

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EH??

Do you think only 1 tv channel is being sent down your cable at a time? Then when you turn over the headend some how "switches channels" for you?

They're all there just on different frequencys, when you change channel the box just retunes to that channel.
That's right.

I think what andy_m is describing sounds like switched video, which is used a lot by cable companies in the States, but not so much in Europe. Check out this diagram:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ca...rk_Diagram.png

The non-switched part is what's happening on VM's network, or at least, the 'last mile' from the cabinet to your home.
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Re: TiVo performance.

How is that Youtube video showing a slow Tivo? That is a perfectly acceptable speed and far faster then what it used to be. Tivo is very responsive and works brilliantly.

The difference between Sky is that it is a one way communication device only sending data down, with cable its a proper network where data is going back and forth. Its going to have some overhead which will cause it to be slower but the advantages far outweigh the negatives.

Comparing Sky which has a really basic interface against Tivo and then saying one faster then the other is silly, its the end GUI that is most important and the Tivo wins hands down.
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Re: TiVo performance.

Must say i have had my TiVo now for about a month and i find the speed very good,hardly any slower then a mates Sky+ HD box.
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How is that Youtube video showing a slow Tivo? That is a perfectly acceptable speed and far faster then what it used to be. Tivo is very responsive and works brilliantly.

The difference between Sky is that it is a one way communication device only sending data down, with cable its a proper network where data is going back and forth. Its going to have some overhead which will cause it to be slower but the advantages far outweigh the negatives.

Comparing Sky which has a really basic interface against Tivo and then saying one faster then the other is silly, its the end GUI that is most important and the Tivo wins hands down.
Totally agree
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Re: TiVo performance.

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Comparing Sky which has a really basic interface against Tivo and then saying one faster then the other is silly, its the end GUI that is most important and the Tivo wins hands down.
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Totally agree
I disagree.

Which GUI is best depends entirely on the user, so neither can ever be judged an overall winner or better/best by an individual as they will judge it on their needs. It's horses for courses.

For example, I like most of the TiVo GUI and it's additional features, although find having to press play/OK on four separate occasions when I have selected some On Demand content very irritating!

The Wife on the other hand hates the TiVo GUI full stop and much prefers the Sky GUI as it is quick, clean and (most importantly), simple.
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Re: TiVo performance.

Won't the whole UI speed become irrelevant in the future with more people completing tasks like setting recordings , search and browse , viewing your planner , controlling the STB through remote apps like TIVO buddy app and Sky+ with zeebox granted short term it will be the minority controlling their box in this manner but longer term with an explosion in tablets/smartphones this will increase.
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