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Old 11-12-2017, 21:54   #1231
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Re: Brexit discussion

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What complete and utter bull! Why would any company need the government's guidance or permission to comply with the requirements of any country or trading bloc they wish to deal with?
I doubt the industries would make this up, Pip.

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Old 11-12-2017, 23:16   #1232
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Re: Brexit discussion

The FT might though.
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Old 11-12-2017, 23:44   #1233
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Re: Brexit discussion

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The FT might though.
Lol, are you joking? The FT has a strong journalistic reputation and would lose considerable advertising and subscribers if it did such a thing. Three parties - Michael Gove and the two industry associations would have have challenged the paper and got the article removed if it was wrong. And it appears in a range of publications too. Maybe they're all in on the conspiracy too?

It's a deeply uncomfortable truth for many Brexiters, but most industries in the UK want to adhere to EU legislation. https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views...rexit-11166179
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Old 12-12-2017, 00:08   #1234
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It's a deeply uncomfortable truth for many Brexiters, but most industries in the UK want to adhere to EU legislation.
Anyone with any sense knows that a company who wishes to trade with any country or trading block must meet the legislation requirements of that country or bloc.

It's hardly rocket science.
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Old 12-12-2017, 00:32   #1235
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Anyone with any sense knows that a company who wishes to trade with any country or trading block must meet the legislation requirements of that country or bloc.

It's hardly rocket science.
No one has said otherwise.
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Old 12-12-2017, 07:23   #1236
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Re: Brexit discussion

Even the Americans think we're crazy....

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Fears grow across the Atlantic over Brexit fallout

Nearly all the possible trading relationships between Britain and the European Union following Brexit would be less favourable than staying in the European Union, according to an influential US think tank.

The Rand Corporation study said the worst option would be a "no deal". That would leave the UK economy 4.9% poorer by 2029. "No deal" would also have a negative effect on the EU economy, but it would be "relatively minor".

The report said that even a "soft Brexit" involving staying in the free market would not be as positive economically as staying in the EU.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42315280
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Re: Brexit discussion

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Anyone with any sense knows that a company who wishes to trade with any country or trading block must meet the legislation requirements of that country or bloc.

It's hardly rocket science.
REACH was massive for the chemical industry. Registration and compliance has taken years and a hell of a lot of money and is a significant investment. If the UK leaves the REACH Framework, there is concern that there will be divergence from the REACH rules over time. There therefore needs to be a system of mutual recognition between any new UK regulations and REACH if no extra regulatory costs are to be incurred.

According the the Chemical Industries Association, of the industries exports, 60% go to the EU and 75% of its' imports come from the EU. Noncompliance or divergence from REACH would be a massive deal.

For the UK, post Brexit, I see the options are;
  • Stay in REACH with a cost to the tax payer and having ECJ arbitration
  • Go it alone with our own regulations and force the industry to adopt a new set of regulations
  • Develop a mutual recognition system with REACH so we mirror REACH regulations but have no say in those regulations - would the UK regulator de facto recognise exisiting REACH paperwork?

The only option with zero additional cost to the industry is staying in REACH

See also the EMA for medicines...

Here's a factsheet from the Chemical Industries Association on their Brexit position - https://www.cia.org.uk/LinkClick.asp...%3d&portalid=0
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Old 12-12-2017, 12:13   #1238
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Re: Brexit discussion

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Even the Americans think we're crazy....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42315280
You suddenly care what Americans think, history recalls you saying you thought they are crazy.
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Old 12-12-2017, 12:32   #1239
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Re: Brexit discussion

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-t...vis-interview/

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The remaining EU27 countries have “hardened” the language of a proposed Brexit resolution for this week’s European Council summit in response to U.K. Brexit Secretary David Davis’ comments on Sunday that last Friday’s Brexit deal with the EU was “more a statement of intent than a legally enforceable thing,” according to three EU diplomats.

At a Monday meeting of sherpas ahead of the summit, at which EU leaders must formally sign off on the agreement with the U.K. that Brexit talks move on to phase 2, diplomats redrafted a summit declaration on Brexit.
Does David Davies understand that Europeans can watch British news programs and papers? Doing the deal then coming back and boasting how you did 'em over and we don't have to follow it wasn't going to go down well.
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Old 12-12-2017, 12:36   #1240
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Theresa May last night warned EU leaders her £39billion divorce cheque is off unless they agree a transition deal by March.

The PM began to unveil her key demands for the next stage of negotiations yesterday.

She told MPs an agreement on a two-year transition period that starts on exit day in 2019 should be sealed as early as possible.

Mrs May added that meant within “the first quarter” of next year.

Her timetable to reassure worried businesses comes six months earlier than EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier’s original plan of September.
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This is a bit more like it. Start pushing.

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Spelling out exactly what she meant by her Brexit talks motto, “Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed,” the PM added: “This offer is on the table in the context of us agreeing the partnership for the future.

“If we don’t agree that partnership, then this offer is off the table.”
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Re: Brexit discussion

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https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-t...vis-interview/
Does David Davies understand that Europeans can watch British news programs and papers? Doing the deal then coming back and boasting how you did 'em over and we don't have to follow it wasn't going to go down well.
He's just a daydreaming Brexit fantasist who is happy to let Theresa May do the heavy lifting. Just as well, for every time he opens his mouth, our potential deal with the EU worsens. Here's what the idiot told us in July 2016:
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Old 12-12-2017, 12:59   #1242
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This is a bit more like it. Start pushing.



The transition deal will be sorted soon anyway. The EU themselves have said it's there as long as we remain within the EU rules during it.
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He's just a daydreaming Brexit fantasist who is happy to let Theresa May do the heavy lifting. Just as well, for every time he opens his mouth, our potential deal with the EU worsens.
I hope it does fail, it is a dreadful and one sided deal, concocted and not in the interests of the decision that people voted for, which is a clean and total break from the corrupted EU.

When people cast their vote to leave the EU, they did so because that is exactly what they wanted to do and that means every part of it, not keep one foot in one aspect of it or be aligned with it in some way. Leave meant leave on the ballot paper.

Time for the government or those in government, to stand up and show some backbone to those corrupted and bent soles in the EU. Verhofstadt and Juncker being just those kind of bent soles. If this means folk like David sabotaging the totally crap deal, then so be it.
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The transition deal will be sorted soon anyway. The EU themselves have said it's there as long as we remain within the EU rules during it.
In English, it's carry on paying the same as now but don't participate in decisions.
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In English, it's carry on paying the same as now but don't participate in decisions.
Not what was voted for.
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