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Old 10-07-2017, 11:39   #391
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Really? Are you sure? I thought it was going to be spent on stuff in N. Ireland which will be of benefit to all communities. You know stuff like mental health services. Yes of course it's politically motivated but it was a hell of a lot less than Corbyn's £100,000,000,000 bribe to students in an effort to gain power. That's what politicians do isn't it?
It was a bribe pure and simple and l am pretty sure if the other parties did it there would be severe gnashing of gritted teeth.

All parties bribe whoever they are but opinions differ depending on ones political leanings..
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It was a bribe pure and simple and l am pretty sure if the other parties did it there would be severe gnashing of gritted teeth.

All parties bribe whoever they are but opinions differ depending on ones political leanings..
bit like labour bribing voters with better benefits promises
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bit like labour bribing voters with better benefits promises
My my your educated brain is excelling itself today..
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My my your educated brain is excelling itself today..
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Just check the finished product as you might find plenty of defects in it.
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It was a bribe pure and simple and l am pretty sure if the other parties did it there would be severe gnashing of gritted teeth.

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We're in agreement then and just as with the question of nastiness it comes down to scale. Which side is worst. I've pointed out the reasons for what I think and what John McDonnell said and Corbyn promised isn't my opinion it's a fact...

In the case of benefits we need to spend what money is allocated as wisely as possible, not just allow billions to be wasted when that money ought to be going to the genuine.
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We're in agreement then and just as with the question of nastiness it comes down to scale. Which side is worst. I've pointed out the reasons for what I think and what John McDonnell said and Corbyn promised isn't my opinion it's a fact...

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Both sides are as bad as each other when it comes to not telling the truth but of course depending on ones individual political leanings the thinking will be rather different.

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In the case of benefits we need to spend what money is allocated as wisely as possible, not just allow billions to be wasted when that money ought to be going to the genuine.
Indeed money should be spent wisely whatever department spends it.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

The crackdown on the fiddling gits will continue. 1.3 billion handouts is too much for decent, hardworking taxpayers to bear.
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The crackdown on the fiddling gits will continue. 1.3 billion handouts is too much for decent, hardworking taxpayers to bear.
The "crackdown on fiddling gits" should continue but not at the expense of those in genuine need. Making things harder for genuine claimants is not the way forward.
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The "crackdown on fiddling gits" should continue but not at the expense of those in genuine need. Making things harder for genuine claimants is not the way forward.
Unfortunately, those people who brazenly claim what they are not entitled to and go to the most extraordinary lengths to get it are the reason why genuine claimants have to go through a minefield to claim their entitlement.
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The "crackdown on fiddling gits" should continue but not at the expense of those in genuine need. Making things harder for genuine claimants is not the way forward.
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Unfortunately, those people who brazenly claim what they are not entitled to and go to the most extraordinary lengths to get it are the reason why genuine claimants have to go through a minefield to claim their entitlement.
Just remember its a small minority that cheat the system just like other systems.
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The "crackdown on fiddling gits" should continue but not at the expense of those in genuine need. Making things harder for genuine claimants is not the way forward.
Sadly, when you have scum who'll go to extreme lengths to feign illness, exaggerate symptoms, lie about their assets/income, use fake documents/fake ID's etc. etc. I don't see any way in which they can be cracked down upon without in some way making life harder for the genuine.

One thing I would like to see is much harsher sentencing for those who selfishly set out to cheat the system. There should be no excuses for benefit fraud.

It is a small minority who cheat but that minority take a hell of a lot out of the system and just as other forms of fraud have increased when seen as an easy touch, so will benefit fraud unless the authorities get a lot tougher on it.
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Sadly, when you have scum who'll go to extreme lengths to feign illness, exaggerate symptoms, lie about their assets/income, use fake documents/fake ID's etc. etc. I don't see any way in which they can be cracked down upon without in some way making life harder for the genuine.

One thing I would like to see is much harsher sentencing for those who selfishly set out to cheat the system. There should be no excuses for benefit fraud.

It is a small minority who cheat but that minority take a hell of a lot out of the system and just as other forms of fraud have increased when seen as an easy touch, so will benefit fraud unless the authorities get a lot tougher on it.
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A BINMAN claimed disability benefits while covering 50 MILES a week working for a council.

George Beacham, 68, fraudulently pocketed more than £45,000 of taxpayers money after claiming he was unable to walk more than two yards in 15 minutes.

George Beacham claims he has been unfairly treated by the courts after finding out he stole £45k in benefits

But he was actually earning up to £18,000-a-year working a 37-hour week for Lancashire city council as a refuse worker.
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According to the council website, binmen are required "To be physically fit and able to undertake heavy manual work”.

The married dad of one first started receiving Disability Living Allowance in June 1993 after suffering from ill health.

But when his condition improved in July 2002 he failed to notify the Department of Works and Pensions, resulting in him pocketing money he was not entitled to for 13 years until September 2015.
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Money that should have gone to a more deserving person.
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Just remember its a small minority that cheat the system just like other systems.
or a small minority that get caught
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