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Old 10-07-2017, 08:30   #376
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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I wonder what percentage of the nhs or the foreign aid budgets are being fraudulently pinched or how much we're overpaying private companies to outsource work to.

I think you are making fraudulent claims to with your figures btw
the figure is from your link £1.3 billion in benefit fraud

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the figure is from your link £1.3 billion in benefit fraud

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/b...-at-record-low
That's not the figure you helpfully typed out for us though is it, I think we might have just seen how easy it is for errors to occur
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That's not the figure you typed out for us though is it, I think we might have just seen how easy it is for errors to occur
if that's the core of your arguments a typo or misspelling does not account for 1.3 billion pounds of theft, i think what we are seeing here is how willing some are to sweep this under the rug and hide it
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if that's the core of your arguments a typo or misspelling does not account for 1.3 billion pounds of theft
No the core of my argument is 0.8% of a budget being lost through fraud or error isn't bad, the figure might be large in it's self but compared to how large the budget is and how much vilification claimants endure it's nothing and that figure is only going to go down as it becomes easier to spot the fraudsters to.

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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

The fraud figures are for proven or provable fraud. What is actually going on is a different matter. You only have to look at benefit programmes on TV to see so many that are very able, but are still claiming benefits.
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No the core of my argument is 0.8% of a budget being lost through fraud or error isn't bad, the figure might be large in it's self but compared to how large the budget is and how much vilification claimants endure it's nothing and that figure is only going to go down as it becomes easier to spot the fraudsters to.

And I'm not trying to hide anything, just putting it into context.
but the figure is a staggering amount ,this isn't pocket change it's £1.3 billion
putting the fluffy bunny approach to it by saying it's only 0.8% doesn't change the fact that it's in the £billions, if i wrote it on the side of a bus would that spark some interest

just think what the NHS could do with £1.3 billion
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but the figure is a staggering amount ,this isn't pocket change it's £1.3 billion
It's the about the same staggering amount they found for the DUP. All from the 'magic money tree' to keep Theresa temporarily in her job, pocket change obviously.
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It's the about the same staggering amount they found for the DUP. All from the 'magic money tree' to keep Theresa temporarily in her job, pocket change obviously.
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but the figure is a staggering amount ,this isn't pocket change it's £1.3 billion
putting the fluffy bunny approach to it by saying it's only 0.8% doesn't change the fact that it's in the £billions, if i wrote it on the side of a bus would that spark some interest

just think what the NHS could do with £1.3 billion
Indeed and the magic money tree The Conservatives used to find the £1.5 billion for the DUP to keep themselves in power....

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What if he is a Labour voter so what as he is entitled to vote for whoever he wants too...

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It's the about the same staggering amount they found for the DUP. All from the 'magic money tree' to keep Theresa temporarily in her job, pocket change obviously.
The "magic money tree remark" which the Conservatives are quick to throw around unless it suits their own political ends.
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Actually, no.
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Indeed and the magic money tree The Conservatives used to find the £1.5 billion for the DUP to keep themselves in power....

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What if he is a Labour voter so what as he is entitled to vote for whoever he wants too...

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The "magic money tree remark" which the Conservatives are quick to throw around unless it suits their own political ends.
we know how labour voters and benefits are tied at the hip
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libtard?

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we know how labour voters and benefits are tied at the hip
Strange that as just taking most our family as a example who have worked all their working lives as quite a few of them would vote for Labour so please give me your extremely wise educated wisdom on that if you may??
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we know how labour voters and benefits are tied at the hip
Could be worse, could be an alt-right broflake.
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Indeed and the magic money tree The Conservatives used to find the £1.5 billion for the DUP to keep themselves in power....

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What if he is a Labour voter so what as he is entitled to vote for whoever he wants too...

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The "magic money tree remark" which the Conservatives are quick to throw around unless it suits their own political ends.
Really? Are you sure? I thought it was going to be spent on stuff in N. Ireland which will be of benefit to all communities. You know stuff like mental health services. Yes of course it's politically motivated but it was a hell of a lot less than Corbyn's £100,000,000,000 bribe to students in an effort to gain power. That's what politicians do isn't it?

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Fraud is common within the benefits system sadly whether it be making entirely false claims for benefits or failing to notify changes of circumstances etc. Inevitably the genuine are then required to jump through additional hurdles to claim and retain what they're fully entitled to. It's all very well some people saying we should, effectively, turn a blind eye to fraud but if we do that the amount of fraud in the system will increase and that is also depriving genuine claimants of much needed resources. At some point we have to try to put a stop to it and yes that will mean perfectly decent, needy, people having to be more thoroughly assessed and go through appeals.
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