Sky BB fibre product

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Matt D

How exactly does Sky give that impression?

I'm not talking about just that press release. I'm talking about their advertising in general. And the conversation I had with their retentions department a couple of months ago.

They don't hide the fact that they rely on BT, but the certainly don't shout about it.

Originally Posted by Matt D

As for all ISPs other than VM still using a BT line... Yes, they do use a "BT line" (although of course if the line is fully unbundled then it could actually be a "Sky line"/"TalkTalk line" etc.), but there is more to it than that. Some ISPs just re-sell a BT Wholesale ADSL package, connected via a "BT line", while others install their own equipment in the BT exchange and sell something which is actually theirs, rather than re-sell a BT Wholesale ADSL package...Such as Sky Broadband Everyday Lite and Sky Broadband Unlimited, which are Sky's LLU packages, and make use of Sky's own equipment in the exchange. Sure, they use the "BT line" to connect you to the exchange, but from the exchange onwards it's all via Sky's own network.

This is your specialist field and not mine. Which is why I asked the question ages ago.

I'm just glad that I changed the whole lot to VM recently. At least I have a better idea who is providing the service with them....or do I????

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Wrong, VM barely cover half the streets in built up areas.

Wrong. VM do not have fibre optic cables to most of their cabinets.

I'd guess only one in 5 to one in 20 VM cabinets are actually connected to fibre. Seph would have more accurate numbers, he's gone and counted them all.

Even if every other VM cabinet had fibre, that'd still be barely one quarter of streets being covered. Not sure where you get your definition of "most" from but an absolute maximum of 25% (more likely 2-10%) is not most in most people's books.

That's not what I have been told by VM engineers.

Anyway, it's still a hell of a lot more than Sky, which was my original question.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

They don't hide the fact that they rely on BT, but the certainly don't shout about it.

They use BT's access network. They do NOT use BT's fibre network. I wouldn't say they rely on BT either. If BT disappeared tomorrow, Sky broadband could and probably would continue functioning fine.

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Anyway, it's still a hell of a lot more than Sky, which was my original question.

In terms of access network, perhaps, because Sky do not operate an access network. In terms of backbone network, no.

I should add BT FTTC brings more fibre much closer to more peoples homes than VM's cable currently does. I wouldn't be surprised if they overtook VM in terms of "number of streets" but then again the reason nobody ever discusses that is it's a totally meaningless measure. In terms of geographical coverage it's already miles (literally) ahead of VM.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

They use BT's access network. They do NOT use BT's fibre network. I wouldn't say they rely on BT either. If BT disappeared tomorrow, Sky broadband could and probably would continue functioning fine

Am I missing something here??

How would they get the broadband to individual houses without BT's network?

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

In terms of access network, perhaps, because Sky do not operate an access network. In terms of backbone network, no.

I should add BT FTTC brings more fibre much closer to more peoples homes than VM's cable currently does. I wouldn't be surprised if they overtook VM in terms of "number of streets" but then again the reason nobody ever discusses that is it's a totally meaningless measure. In terms of geographical coverage it's already miles (literally) ahead of VM.

I presume you mean by access network, you mean the cables to houses etc??

You are probably right about BT, as they have the infrastructure with their existing copper cables. So to be simplistic about it, they can almost do it on a replacement basis. With VM/NTL, they nearly went bust years ago because of the cost of laying cables. And they haven't really started laying them again since.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Am I missing something here??

How would they get the broadband to individual houses without BT's network?

Like I said, access network. Not fibre network.

I presume you mean by access network, you mean the cables to houses etc??

By access network I mean access network

You are probably right about BT, as they have the infrastructure with their existing copper cables. So to be simplistic about it, they can almost do it on a replacement basis. With VM/NTL, they nearly went bust years ago because of the cost of laying cables. And they haven't really started laying them again since.

We're talking about fibre, not copper.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Like I said, access network. Not fibre network.

By access network I mean access network

We're talking about fibre, not copper.

Don't worry about it. You don't read my posts properly, and you talk down to me, rather than explaining.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

I'm not talking about just that press release. I'm talking about their advertising in general. And the conversation I had with their retentions department a couple of months ago.

They don't hide the fact that they rely on BT, but the certainly don't shout about it.

You said "So they do still rely on BT installing their fibre optic network then?", and I pointed out (again) that "Sky Broadband Unlimited Fibre uses the FTTC installed by Openreach".

To that, you said you were just asking a question and that "Sky do give that impression to anyone who isn't in the know".

So... what "impression"?

What "advertising in general"? Sky has only just announced that it's going to be providing fibre broadband, and has been totally open that it relies on BT's fibre roll-out.

When has Sky's advertising ever claimed otherwise?

When, exactly, has Sky claimed (your words) "that they are increasing the fibre optic network"?

Sky has also always been totally open about needing a "BT line" for Sky Broadband (which is the sole extent of it "relying on BT"). What's there to "shout about"?

If you want ADSL from Sky, you need a "BT line". Which is how it is for all ADSL ISPs. It's not exactly full-on "relying on BT". It's just the phoneline. From the equipment at the BT exchange onwards, you're using Sky's equipment and Sky's network. Not BT's. In fact, even the phoneline is effectively Sky's now, as Sky now provides fully unbundled broadband and voice (SVBN) - you have to have Sky line rental (not BT) to have Sky Broadband. Openreach deals with the physical line if necessary, but it's a Sky line not BT.

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

This is your specialist field and not mine. Which is why I asked the question ages ago.

Not my specialist field at all. I'm a molecular biologist.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Matt D

Not my specialist field at all. I'm a molecular biologist.

Pwnd.

[Alan Fry]

BT, Talk Talk, Sky and other Fiber optic broadband providers use the BT Openreach network, Virgin Media on the other hand use their own Digital Fiber Optic network developed by its predecssors NTL and Telewest for more than a decade!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

BT, Sky, TalkTallk and other ISPs providing Superfast Broadband use the BT Openreach Fire Optic Network, apart from Virgin Media, who have their own Fiber Optic Network for some time now!

Originally Posted by Hugh

Sky also have their own fibre network, as they bought out Easynet in 2006.

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

So has O2/Be.

These three posts were posted only two days ago, in this very same thread - do you suffer from short-term memory loss?

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Hugh

These three posts were posted only two days ago, in this very same thread - do you suffer from short-term memory loss?

I was just making it clear to everyone which company used which Broadband Network!

[qasdfdsaq]

By making completely unclear and incorrect statements. Nice one.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

By making completely unclear and incorrect statements. Nice one.

My previous post was correct!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

My previous post was correct!

Must be a new definition of "correct" I hadn't come across before.......

[qasdfdsaq]

Seems like just about everyone has been using the English language pretty loosely of late.

[colin25]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Seems like just about everyone has been using the English language pretty loosely of late.

"everyone"