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Old 13-03-2017, 21:57   #736
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

http://uk.businessinsider.com/sean-s...17-3?r=US&IR=T

So, when Trump said 'Obama' last week, he didn't mean Obama, and when he said 'wiretap', he didn't mean wiretap.

OK, then...
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Donald Trump’s leaked tax return reveals that the businessman had to pay tens of millions of dollars in a single year because of a tax rule that he has specifically promised to abolish as president.

A two-page section of Trump’s tax return for 2005, which was published by MSNBC late on Tuesday, revealed that the president paid $38m in federal taxes on more than $150m in income in 2005.But the documents also showed that about 82% of the total paid to the Internal Revenue Service that year by Trump and his wife, Melania, was incurred due to a tax that Trump has said should be abolished.
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Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr, welcomed the leak, adding to speculation over whether the president leaked a favourable portion of his own tax return.
Interesting timing possibly managing to overshadow the 'claims' about illegal wire tapping.
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Interesting timing possibly managing to overshadow the 'claims' about illegal wire tapping.
The thing is that Trump is right, he is under no legal obligation to release his tax returns.

However, if his returns are as legit as he says, then he is being a fool not releasing them. If he releases the tax returns and they show nothing untoward, then the anti Trump lobby lose a major stick they can beat him with.

Even if they show that he hasn't paid quite as much tax as he should have, that will generate a storm, and may even lose him some votes, but it will blow over.

This, combined with the administration's continued refusal to release them makes me think that those tax returns are hiding something serious. Something that could possibly get Trump impeached.
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Old 15-03-2017, 14:11   #739
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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The thing is that Trump is right, he is under no legal obligation to release his tax returns.

However, if his returns are as legit as he says, then he is being a fool not releasing them. If he releases the tax returns and they show nothing untoward, then the anti Trump lobby lose a major stick they can beat him with.

Even if they show that he hasn't paid quite as much tax as he should have, that will generate a storm, and may even lose him some votes, but it will blow over.

This, combined with the administration's continued refusal to release them makes me think that those tax returns are hiding something serious. Something that could possibly get Trump impeached.
That 2005 Tax return shows he paid a whopping $38 Million on a $150Million income, I'd say in that year alone, he paid his dues.

If his tax returns exist and has submitted them, that information exists to government sources already or did over the years, if there had been something untoward in them, I'm sure something would have been said or done to prevent him from standing as a Candidate.

During the campaign and in one of the debates, he did mention that he was heavily scrutinized by the IRS (US equivalent to HMRC), this being the case, if something was in them, the IRS had that information.

The issue here is, the sour faced Democrats, won't accept they lost and keep throwing the false narrative that Trump got Russia to help him win the Election. I keep saying this, 62 Million Americans were not held at gun point and forced to vote for Trump and help him win more States than Hillary.
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Sky News The House Intelligence Committee says it has seen no evidence to support Donald Trump's claim that his phones were wiretapped.
Republican Congressman Devin Nunes and Democratic Congressman Adam Schiff, who lead the committee, have said they are still waiting for evidence from the Justice Department.
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-tru...-says-10802970

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I keep saying this, 62 Million Americans were not held at gun point and forced to vote for Trump and help him win more States than Hillary.
You wouldn't need to persuade 62m, I think if you persuaded 2m that would have been enough to swing the election one way or the other.
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Trump leaked his own tax return to try and deflect from his ludicrous wire tapping story. Cunning devil, you have to hand it to him.

On the subject of number of votes, more voted for Hillary (65m to the Donalds 62m) but that's the World's greatest democracy for you ! (our system is no better).
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Old 15-03-2017, 18:15   #742
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Trump leaked his own tax return to try and deflect from his ludicrous wire tapping story. Cunning devil, you have to hand it to him.

On the subject of number of votes, more voted for Hillary (65m to the Donalds 62m) but that's the World's greatest democracy for you ! (our system is no better).
Yes, I think the "client copy" suggests that's exactly what happened.

It's funny that Trump has to engineer another story to distract from a story that he engineered to distract from the actual investigation into the Russian connections!
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Old 15-03-2017, 18:36   #743
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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You wouldn't need to persuade 62m, I think if you persuaded 2m that would have been enough to swing the election one way or the other.
Let's not forget though, Trump also got his fair share of embarrassing scandals thrown his way, Pussygate was the big one, him not releasing his Tax returns probably being another.

The pussygate alone should have cost him the election, his party was literally turning his back on him when that video tape was released and I think many were expecting him to abandon his candidacy, but he remained firm and despite that tape, women went out and voted for Trump in droves because they simply did not want Hillary and they say this is Russian influence? Utter bollocks.

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Trump leaked his own tax return to try and deflect from his ludicrous wire tapping story. Cunning devil, you have to hand it to him.

On the subject of number of votes, more voted for Hillary (65m to the Donalds 62m) but that's the World's greatest democracy for you ! (our system is no better).
No better in your eyes because you don't like the results.

There is nothing 'ludicrous' about his wiretapping claims, Obama Administration had form when it came to spying on folk and even friendly folk, allies, just ask UN's Ban Ki Moon. Ask the French too and other countries....

The 'who got most votes' is getting an old tired argument , they, (Both Trump and Clinton) entered the Election race knowing the rules and they are, to win States, not total votes.
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Let's not forget though, Trump also got his fair share of embarrassing scandals thrown his way, Pussygate was the big one, him not releasing his Tax returns probably being another.

The pussygate alone should have cost him the election, his party was literally turning his back on him when that video tape was released and I think many were expecting him to abandon his candidacy, but he remained firm and despite that tape, women went out and voted for Trump in droves because they simply did not want Hillary and they say this is Russian influence? Utter bollocks.
Trump did well to survive Pussygate, credit where it's due.
Presumably, some people were influenced by the Wikileaks stuff, we just don't know how many. I don't think anyone's saying it's 62m but the again, I don't think anyone's saying it's zero.
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There is nothing 'ludicrous' about his wiretapping claims, Obama Administration had form when it came to spying on folk and even friendly folk, allies, just ask UN's Ban Ki Moon. Ask the French too and other countries....
Spying on American citizens vs spying on foreign citizens is very different. It's why the NSA tried to use GCHQ as a work around. The President has the authority to tap foreign citizens but it's a massive and criminal violation to tap your own citizens without a warrant and even then it's typically the FBI that would apply for that warrant - certainly not the President or any part of the executive branch.

But Trump didn't speculate that Obama tapped his phone. He said he did. It's only after constant badgering from Democrats and Republicans alike for proof did the White House attempt to say that by 'Obama' he meant 'any aspect of the government' and by 'wiretapping' he meant investigation and even then it was theory and not intel. Today the intelligence committee said there was no evidence.

If Trump doesn't have proof he shouldn't throw accusations like that around.
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The pussygate alone should have cost him the election, .

Exactly. Anti Trump posters are missing the point, by focussing on the man and not his policies

Many people who voted for him did not like the man. But they were so fed up with 'the swamp' and the morally liberal policies perused by Obama (which would have gotten* worse under Hilary), jobs being lost to other countries through multinational trade deals, etc. etc., that they looked passed the man and voted for Trump. Unless people understand that, they will never get why Trump won. The Democrats need to focus less on trying to derail his Presidency, and focus on why they lost.


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Trump did well to survive Pussygate, credit where it's due.
Presumably, some people were influenced by the Wikileaks stuff, we just don't know how many. I don't think anyone's saying it's 62m but the again, I don't think anyone's saying it's zero.
The Democratic National Committee's mistake was backing the wrong horse, they were so sure she was going to win.

Big mistake, they should have had Bernie Sanders, but they robbed that chance from him, leaked emails showed Hillary, getting propped up in the Primaries Debates, by getting the questions prior to the debates when it was Sanders vs Clinton.
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But Trump didn't speculate that Obama tapped his phone. He said he did. It's only after constant badgering from Democrats and Republicans alike for proof did the White House attempt to say that by 'Obama' he meant 'any aspect of the government' and by 'wiretapping' he meant investigation and even then it was theory and not intel. Today the intelligence committee said there was no evidence.

If Trump doesn't have proof he shouldn't throw accusations like that around.
Did they Damien? If you look at one of the above posts you'll see this.

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Republican Congressman Devin Nunes and Democratic Congressman Adam Schiff, who lead the committee, have said they are still waiting for evidence from the Justice Department.
The jury's still out yet. Not saying the point will be proved but don't assume until all the evidence is in.
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Exactly. Anti Trump posters are missing the point, by focussing on the man and not his policies

Many people who voted for him did not like the man. But they were so fed up with 'the swamp' and the morally liberal policies perused by Obama (which would have gotten worse under Hilary), jobs being lost to other countries through multinational trade deals, etc. etc., that they looked passed the man and voted for Trump. Unless people understand that, they will never get why Trump won. The Democrats need to focus less on trying to derail his Presidency, and focus on why they lost.


* Specially for Mr K; a word in common use in the US that has an English root.
Surely there's a small contradiction in wanting local culture preserved yet using American English?
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Surely there's a small contradiction in wanting local culture preserved yet using American English?

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That gotten is primarily used in North America has given rise to the mistaken belief that it is American in origin and hence new and inferior. But gotten is in fact an old form, predating the United States and Canada by several centuries. It fell out of favor in British English by the 18th century, but it was eventually picked up again on the other side of the Atlantic, perhaps by analogy with forgotten.


The vehemence of some Britons’ scorn for gotten likely has to do with the fact that it has gained ground in British English over the last couple of decades. Many English speakers from outside North America resist the encroachment of so-called Americanisms (many of which, like gotten, are not actually American in origin) on their versions of English, and, for mysterious reasons, some feel especially strongly about gotten.

I like that word; I think I'm justified in using it, especially to tease Mr K


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