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Old 12-10-2017, 16:55   #106
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Spain National Day violence ERUPTS: Angry protesters clash in Catalonia independence fight

VIOLENCE broke out in Spain today as independence campaigners clashed with pro-unity protesters during the country’s National Day.

you can really feel the love in Spain these days

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Catalan President Carles Puigdemont says Catalonia will not accept Madrid's plan to curb region's powers
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Hundreds of thousands of people have been demonstrating in Barcelona against the imposition of direct rule from Madrid and calling for the release of two pro-independence activists being held in custody.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-e...e-in-barcelona

Looks like things are going to get interesting. I wonder if the EU will interfere in a member state's affairs or just let them get on with it.
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Old 21-10-2017, 21:35   #108
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Looks like things are going to get interesting. I wonder if the EU will interfere in a member state's affairs or just let them get on with it.
they have probably given spain their orders to put an end to independence no one leaves the club without a fight
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I'm surprised nobody's suggested another referendum so they can get the right result.
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I'm surprised nobody's suggested another referendum so they can get the right result.
give it time , but it is spain they beat the right result into people while the eu watches their rights being trampled under the jackboot
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Looks like things are going to get interesting. I wonder if the EU will interfere in a member state's affairs or just let them get on with it.
I'm guessing that it must be awkward for some to realise that the EU is less interfering in countries' internal affairs than they've believed.
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I'm guessing that it must be awkward for some to realise that the EU is less interfering in countries' internal affairs than they've believed.
Quite, but one if the existing principles of being a member of a EU State, is Democracy.

stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities

Spain is acting opposite to this and the ignorance of the EU, says it all.
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If the EU was getting involved in the Scottish/UK question I am not sure how keen the people now demanding they intervene would be.
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Old 22-10-2017, 09:21   #114
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If the EU was getting involved in the Scottish/UK question I am not sure how keen the people now demanding they intervene would be.
That does not make sense, there was nothing amiss, with the Scottish vote, a referendum was called, people said no. Democracy spoke. Case closed.
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That does not make sense, there was nothing amiss, with the Scottish vote, a referendum was called, people said no. Democracy spoke. Case closed.
Many in Scotland want another vote though, should the EU tell us to have one? Should they have told us to have the last one? What about if they condemn us for re-implementing direct rule in Northern Ireland?

I think they should have condemned some of the way Spain is handling it but I think you're underestimating the dangers of the EU giving tacit support to secessionist movements within their member states.
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Many in Scotland want another vote though, should the EU tell us to have one? Should they have told us to have the last one? What about if they condemn us for re-implementing direct rule in Northern Ireland?

I think they should have condemned some of the way Spain is handling it but I think you're underestimating the dangers of the EU giving tacit support to secessionist movements within their member states.
How many Referendums do people need to have to get the result they want?

The one held in 2014 was enough and it was suppose to be a once in a lifetime event, according to the SNP.

Along came brexit, as a convenient scapegoat, to want hold another, however, the fact the SNP lost a considerable amount of Parliamentary seats, says many more Scots donít want another vote.
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Yep the Scotland independence referendum that the SNP had long campaigned for ended up backfiring on them.
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Yep the Scotland independence referendum that the SNP had long campaigned for ended up backfiring on them.
but it would have been ok with our euromob friends to send in riot police to give them a good kicking for having the nerve to want independence .
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but it would have been ok with our euromob friends to send in riot police to give them a good kicking for having the nerve to want independence .
No they'd never do that. Such a benign, forward thinking and open minded bunch of people who've proved they're not at all governed by dogma and how they've learned from mistakes, not just carried on with the one size fits all nonsense regardless over the last few decades.

Just look at how Juncker's vision proves to us all that at a time of increasing right wing extremism in Europe, the EU has recognised that there's a major problem with its policies/leadership and is keen to apply the brakes, take stock of what's going wrong, reform, create a new and less overbearing relationship with member states...

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Quite, but one if the existing principles of being a member of a EU State, is Democracy.

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Spain is acting opposite to this and the ignorance of the EU, says it all.
If the referendum was unconstitutional then it's not undemocratic to ignore it. The police were heavy handed but that won't be the first time a police force in the EU has misbehaved, including the UK.
If any rights have been violated then I guess people can take legal proceedings up with the Spanish state. But ultimately it's a political situation that needs sorting out in Spain. I'm sure friendly countries will be willing to assist in the way that they did in Northern Ireland, although we are not blessed with the same calibre of politicians now as we did for the Northern Ireland peace talks.
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