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Old 21-04-2014, 22:48   #1231
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

He also points out that the No campaign is struggling still. I hope they think of something to turn this around.
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Old 21-04-2014, 22:54   #1232
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

The No campaign's poster campaign was launched this weekend. Labour is now (finally) taking the campaign seriously; the shadow cabinet is due to meet in Scotland and a certain G. Brown is making a keynote speech tomorrow.
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Old 21-04-2014, 23:18   #1233
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The No campaign's poster campaign was launched this weekend. Labour is now (finally) taking the campaign seriously; the shadow cabinet is due to meet in Scotland and a certain G. Brown is making a keynote speech tomorrow.
I like the more positive approach to their poster campaign. I do feel it has been relentless negative at this point. However I also concede that it's hard to make a positive case for the status-quo without it being almost negative by default, i.e you'll lose all this if you leave. It's much easier to be positive when you don't have reality and much harder when your vision has all the flaws in the open for people to see. Salmond is having a great time portraying a problem-free Scotland.

Still anything closer than 60/40 to No is worrying. It doesn't leave much room to lose ground over the Summer and if the Yes vote does lose but still gets over 40% we may not be able to banish the question for another generation. It will dominate Scottish politics for years to come as the Nationalists will aggregate for another referendum.

My hope so far is at the time draws near people will prove risk-adverse and slide back to No whereas the 'Don't Knows' will also follow the traditional pattern of referendums by opting for the status-quo. Still I think there is a possibility this vote could be lost :rem:.

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To be honest I still think we have the nuclear options of promising more devolved powers should it come to that...
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Old 22-04-2014, 01:15   #1234
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Erm, I think you'll find that Scottish Enterprise and Visit Scotland have quit the CBI on direct instructions from the SNP, whose prominent member John Swinney just happens to be the finance minister who sets those organisations' budgets.

Salmond and his crew have politicised the civil service and the supposedly arms-length quangos quite shamelessly during the past 7 years, and are pushing their agenda now harder than ever.

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Hahahaha.... you still 100% believe that YeSNP will win.

I don't see how the CBI are helping the Yes party when the article states they are backing the pro union....

Also ........
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-27101266
The CBi can always change its name tae The Confederation of English industry,it does nothing for Scotland anyway.

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The No campaign's poster campaign was launched this weekend. Labour is now (finally) taking the campaign seriously; the shadow cabinet is due to meet in Scotland and a certain G. Brown is making a keynote speech tomorrow.
Quite possibly the most idiotic poster I've ever come across,I'm sure we in Scotland will worry about our pensions,what say you Gordon Brown,eh?


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Old 22-04-2014, 01:30   #1235
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Please, all, can we let Scotland decide as they see fit and, if they wish to leave the UK, work out how to pay the bills as and when?
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Please, all, can we let Scotland decide as they see fit and, if they wish to leave the UK, work out how to pay the bills as and when?
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Old 22-04-2014, 01:38   #1237
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

That poster isn't idiotic it's a fact and a very good point.

One that Salmond still can't actually provide a proper answer to. Just like everything else really.

Better together really is the ONLY sensible option.

The CB I does nothing for Scotland? Can you provide proof of this?
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Please, all, can we let Scotland decide as they see fit and, if they wish to leave the UK, work out how to pay the bills as and when?
We are letting them decide as they see fit. Well the politicians are, everyone here had no say in the matter. And there's a lot of Scots on here that face a massive decision about their future, but it's a decision that affects us all in the end. The rest of us, most anyway, want them to continue as part of the Union. If I honestly thought that a Yes vote would be better for them then I'd quite happily accept their decision and wish them well in what they have chosen for themselves. But I've not seen, or read, anything at all that makes me believe they will be better alone. I'm not an idiot, and I'm certainly not a bully or full of bluff and bluster, but they're the accusations that are thrown our way just for having an opinion on something that's very important for all of the Union. This is not a political site, it's not aligned to either of the Yes or No campaigns, or indeed any other campaign as far as I'm aware. It's a forum covering a very wide range of topics, used by people that seem to come from all walks of life, from all over Britain. We're entitled to our view, no matter what anyone else might have you believe.

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That poster isn't idiotic it's a fact and a very good point.

One that Salmond still can't actually provide a proper answer to. Just like everything else really.

Better together really is the ONLY sensible option.

The CB I does nothing for Scotland? Can you provide proof of this?
I thought you'd know better by now
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But I've not seen, or read, anything at all that makes me believe they will be better alone.
That's because there isn't any. The better together campaign should be the easiest job in politics as taking apart the SNPs plans could be done by a five year old but consistently they let them away with bluffing and trying to con the electorate with wildly optimistic plans.

And now Jonah Browns taken a break from charity funded luxury to get involved I can see more pain ahead for the no camp.
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And now Jonah Browns taken a break from charity funded luxury to get involved I can see more pain ahead for the no camp.
You'd have to wonder, wouldn't you, where the sense is in engaging someone who was accused of bullying during his term of office and who is largely credited with / blamed on presiding over a financial disaster of gargantuan proportions to give financial advice (using unpublished data) regarding pensions in an attempt to advocate the retention of the union as is.

Seems bonkers to me.

Could it be that the Better Together campaign secretly want scotland to become independent?
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Old 22-04-2014, 13:47   #1241
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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To be honest I still think we have the nuclear options of promising more devolved powers should it come to that...
That. Would be a mistake, that's why we are where we are now. If you give some people a bit of leeway they take the mick.

Arguably if you devolve enough, then they'll be independent anyway.


Has anyone else noticed how this roll over type of politics has got us where we are today.

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Quite frankly I'm glad I'm the age I am, (hopefully) I won't be here when it's all gone completely to ruin.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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That poster isn't idiotic it's a fact and a very good point.

One that Salmond still can't actually provide a proper answer to. Just like everything else really.

Better together really is the ONLY sensible option.

The CB I does nothing for Scotland? Can you provide proof of this?
Here son,read this.

http://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

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We are letting them decide as they see fit. Well the politicians are, everyone here had no say in the matter. And there's a lot of Scots on here that face a massive decision about their future, but it's a decision that affects us all in the end. The rest of us, most anyway, want them to continue as part of the Union. If I honestly thought that a Yes vote would be better for them then I'd quite happily accept their decision and wish them well in what they have chosen for themselves. But I've not seen, or read, anything at all that makes me believe they will be better alone. I'm not an idiot, and I'm certainly not a bully or full of bluff and bluster, but they're the accusations that are thrown our way just for having an opinion on something that's very important for all of the Union. This is not a political site, it's not aligned to either of the Yes or No campaigns, or indeed any other campaign as far as I'm aware. It's a forum covering a very wide range of topics, used by people that seem to come from all walks of life, from all over Britain. We're entitled to our view, no matter what anyone else might have you believe.

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I thought you'd know better by now
What UTTER rubbish,you are letting us vote,get off yer high horse,WE are deciding our choice of Government,not you,typical arrogant Little Englander.

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You'd have to wonder, wouldn't you, where the sense is in engaging someone who was accused of bullying during his term of office and who is largely credited with / blamed on presiding over a financial disaster of gargantuan proportions to give financial advice (using unpublished data) regarding pensions in an attempt to advocate the retention of the union as is.

Seems bonkers to me.

Could it be that the Better Together campaign secretly want scotland to become independent?
Great post,odds are now 9/4 on Independence,it was 16/1 this time last year,the fear factor mob have lost the argument,their bullying a complete and utter failure,everything they do turn's tae poo.
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Here son,read this.

http://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/[COLOR="Silver"]
What does hat have to do with with proving the CBI has never done anything for Scotland? What you have quoted is another blog with an opinion about the CBI's view on the question of independence.

You have claimed that the CBI has never done anything to promote or help Scottish Business at all.

Looks like they hold an event ever other month, but don't let facts get in the way.

http://www.cbi.org.uk/about-the-cbi/uk/scotland/events/

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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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You'd have to wonder, wouldn't you, where the sense is in engaging someone who was accused of bullying during his term of office and who is largely credited with / blamed on presiding over a financial disaster of gargantuan proportions to give financial advice (using unpublished data) regarding pensions in an attempt to advocate the retention of the union as is.

Seems bonkers to me.

Could it be that the Better Together campaign secretly want scotland to become independent?
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What does hat have to do with with proving the CBI has never done anything for Scotland? What you have quoted is another blog with an opinion about the CBI's view on the question of independence.

You have claimed that the CBI has never done anything to promote or help Scottish Business at all.

Looks like they hold an event ever other month, but don't let facts get in the way.

http://www.cbi.org.uk/about-the-cbi/uk/scotland/events/

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What UTTER rubbish,you are letting us vote,get off yer high horse,WE are deciding our choice of Government,not you,typical arrogant Little Englander.
Maybe jimi, just maybe, you might be better actually thinking about what you're going to write, instead of jumping onto the offended bus whilst having a tantrum and getting your knickers in a twist. What exactly does "We are letting them decide as they see fit. Well the politicians are, everyone here had no say in the matter" mean to you? Did you read what I quoted above that post? Please enlighten me as to where I say that I'm deciding your choice of Government? And I'm a "typical arrogant Little Englander" now am I?. Again, please show me anywhere that I've ever looked, or spoke, down to Scotland or ridiculed it in any way? I await all the instances you find with growing eagerness. Yours forever, Mr Pharmacist X
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