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Old 15-07-2017, 10:46   #421
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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17 in the whole country?
This is EIGHT just in the Westminster area.

From a FOI request from 2011 for JUST Westminster
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From DWP report: Housing Benefit caseload breakdown - March 2011
So were does the 17 come from?
From the figures for previous years it can be clearly seen that the problem arose from the Local Housing Allowance system introduced in 2008. In just 2 years the number even in the £25K-£30K band tripled. The problem was that for large houses, the sky was the limit. People were DELIBERATELY moving into expensive areas because they knew it would be all covered by the taxpayer.

Then there is this case which is beyond belief.
From an Upper Tribunal ruling where the guy WON a rehearing.
In other words he was claiming and RECEIVING £1,000/week, even though his actual rent was a quarter of that. £750/week in free money in his pocket. How did Islington council allow that?


and I wonder how many of the properties involved are being sublet either wholly or partially...

A fairly recent TV documentary highlighted the case of HB fraud and tracked a guy who had a house and was claiming HB in the UK whilst he was living and working in Belgium and doing the same thing there. It beggars belief but I believe it's a lot more prevalent that some people would care to admit. The councils don't have the will and/or the resources to tackle it and doing so would simply prove just how bad the reality is. Rather like the approach of the various authorities to the child abuse in certain areas of the UK, it's easier to turn a blind eye to the true scale of the problem.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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17 in the whole country?
This is EIGHT just in the Westminster area.
Costs of Housing Benefit (now renamed " Local Housing Allowance") are a major smokescreen to vilfy Benefit claimants. Don't forget the money goes to Councils or Buy-to-let landlords, NOT into the pockets of claimants. To make it seem that it does, it is now paid into claimants bank accounts via Universal Credit. Claimants must then pay it to Councils Or Landlords.

How often do we see "Benefit family living in £1million Kensington house"? Are people gullible enough to think the £1million house belongs to them? It would appear many do....

The Benefit Cap just makes it impossible for claimants to live in areas where rents are high. So this is a purge of the poor from "rich" areas.

Other Benefit changes mean many unemployed or low-income youngsters are unable to move out of the family home, so the Cap might hit that household hard just because more people are living there.

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Anyway, the letter arrived today, the DWP have accepted the Tribunal's decision, and my son is going to get PIP until Feb 2022.

But the "review" will start again in Feb 2021, by when it is expected that the DWP will have tightened each rule, and interpretation of that rule, to their own benefit.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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Costs of Housing Benefit (now renamed " Local Housing Allowance") are a major smokescreen to vilfy Benefit claimants. Don't forget the money goes to Councils or Buy-to-let landlords, NOT into the pockets of claimants. To make it seem that it does, it is now paid into claimants bank accounts via Universal Credit. Claimants must then pay it to Councils Or Landlords.

How often do we see "Benefit family living in £1million Kensington house"? Are people gullible enough to think the £1million house belongs to them? It would appear many do....

The Benefit Cap just makes it impossible for claimants to live in areas where rents are high. So this is a purge of the poor from "rich" areas.

Other Benefit changes mean many unemployed or low-income youngsters are unable to move out of the family home, so the Cap might hit that household hard just because more people are living there.

---------- Post added at 12:12 ---------- Previous post was at 12:09 ----------

Anyway, the letter arrived today, the DWP have accepted the Tribunal's decision, and my son is going to get PIP until Feb 2022.

But the "review" will start again in Feb 2021, by when it is expected that the DWP will have tightened each rule, and interpretation of that rule, to their own benefit.

The money goes direct but there's little to stop tenants subletting. I don't see the benefits cap as purging anything any more than the in the case of those who don't qualify for any help (perhaps by not very much) having to move many miles and uproot their families in order to find cheaper housing when their jobs or family circumstances change for example. In an ideal world it'd be different but sadly benefits aren't there to guarantee people can live where they choose or would like to remain.

Great news re Taff Jnr. BTW

It'd be a good idea to start seeking and collecting whatever medical and other 'expert' evidence you can to support his claim in 5 years time. Who knows where we'll be then though...
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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Anyway, the letter arrived today, the DWP have accepted the Tribunal's decision, and my son is going to get PIP until Feb 2022.

But the "review" will start again in Feb 2021, by when it is expected that the DWP will have tightened each rule, and interpretation of that rule, to their own benefit.
With respect Taf, the DWP have agreed to the PIP for which your son qualifies; a subsequent review is both proper and necessary and despite your unfounded presumption about the future you should feel confident that even under revised rules your son will qualify.

Can't see that you're ever likely to be content with the system for administrating public funds but it wouldn't hurt to acknowledge that the DWP is doing its job despite staffing constraint and a continuing pay cap. I'm sure they employ plenty of people who have family issues of their own.
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Great news re Taff Jnr. BTW

It'd be a good idea to start seeking and collecting whatever medical and other 'expert' evidence you can to support his claim in 5 years time. Who knows where we'll be then though...
Good advice Osem I was advised to keep a file on everything including the DWP decision report and my medical report. I now get a copy of hospital scans, reports etc I even got a copy of my Gall bladder operation and the report by the surgeon as it is suspected my illness caused inflammation in my Gallbladder apparently it is quite common with my illness.

This file also came in handy when a fellow CF member sent me PM for some information in regards to their claim in where I could give them a exact time frame on how long my claim took, the length of time my award was for and who did my assessment.
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the figure is from your link £1.3 billion in benefit fraud

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/b...-at-record-low
why are you missing the and error in all your statements?

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nomadking all 17 I believe in london in very small parts of london with high living costs.

I assume the situation came about as they had no where else to house these people at the time.

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nomadking all 17 I believe in london in very small parts of london with high living costs.

I assume the situation came about as they had no where else to house these people at the time.
In November 2008 the total for the UK(or possibly just England) was 10. Just 2 years later it was 160. People were DELIBERATELY moving from cheaper properties(from inside and outside London) into expensive ones in Westminster. They were not homeless beforehand. They'd been in the UK for a number of years until Labour allowed them(well not Joe Bloggs obviously) to pull this trick of ripping us off. Before the Local Housing Allowance came along, they couldn't have got away with it.

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Meanwhile, we are housing people - some of whom have just arrived at Victoria coach station from others parts of Britain or abroad - in often very expensive properties.
Expensive properties that the buyers have probably not sunk a single penny into. Properties that Housing Benefit is going to pay for for them. Housing Benefit is the wild child of Benefits, and needs to be tightly curtailed and controlled.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

I just tried to apply for reissue of the lad's Blue Disabled Parking Badge.

DWP has changed eligibilty from 10 points PIP on "getting around" criteria to 12 points. And he has only 10.

So they are still moving the goalposts.... :-(
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I just tried to apply for reissue of the lad's Blue Disabled Parking Badge.

DWP has changed eligibilty from 10 points PIP on "getting around" criteria to 12 points. And he has only 10.

So they are still moving the goalposts.... :-(

That is typical of the DWP.
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I just tried to apply for reissue of the lad's Blue Disabled Parking Badge.

DWP has changed eligibilty from 10 points PIP on "getting around" criteria to 12 points. And he has only 10.

So they are still moving the goalposts.... :-(
I don't think it the DWP that determine the criteria. Have you checked the criteria for your local council?
For my local council(Northamptonshire)
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You will receive a badge upon application if you can provide evidence that any of the following is true:
  • you receive the higher rate of the mobility component of the Disability Living Allowance
  • you receive the mobility components of the Personal Independence Payment (PIP) and you have been awarded at least 8 points for moving around (standing and walking). If your PIP award is for less than 3 years then your Blue Badge will expire when your Personal Independence Payment expires.
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You may also be eligible to receive a Blue Badge in the following circumstances:
  • you drive a motor vehicle regularly, have a severe disability in both arms and are unable to operate, or have considerable difficulty in operating, all or some types of parking meter.
  • you have a permanent and substantial disability which means you are unable to walk or have very considerable difficulty in walking. In this case we may ask you more questions to help us determine whether you are eligible for a badge.
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You can automatically qualify for a blue badge if you are over two years old and meet one or more of the following criteria:
  • Receive the Higher Rate of the Mobility Component of the Disability Living Allowance (DLA)
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Taf I was awarded 8 points in regards to mobility and I applied to my local council for a blue badge when applying I enclosed a copy of my award letter. I got a blue badge for 3 years and I had to pay a fee of pay £20 as my application was successful.

I was told that I may need to have a assessment but I never needed one I assume that is because my local council went by what was written on my award letter. If I were you I would apply for this badge and enclose a copy of your lad's award letter.

You have nothing to lose Taf and everything to gain as my badge helps me a great deal and I assume the same would apply to your lad. My blue badge was a Godsend at my last day surgery I really do not know how I coped without it now.

Good luck Taf but I'm certain that your lad will get this badge without a problem.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

I read his award notice wrong. He got 10 points for "planning and following a journey" not "getting around" (zero points because he can just about walk 200 yards).

The council said they only accept applications online through the gov.uk website, despite what their own website says. Then another bloke there said they can do face-to-face assessments in specific cases. Left hand, right hand again....
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The application may be online, but an assessment might be part of any approval process. No contradiction involved.

If there is no physical restriction then not sure there is any point applying. If somebody needs somebody else to accompany them or needs a guide dog, then a Blue Badge wouldn't be appropriate. Sounds like might be eligible for a Disabled Bus pass, along with a carers pass if somebody else needs to accompany them.
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