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Old 04-08-2017, 16:28   #421
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

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Like building it 60 years later?
It was the renovations at Grenfell that caused the problems. As built, probably nobody would have been injured or killed. The internal fire was put out fairly quickly. It was spreading outside and onwards that was the problem.
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Old 04-08-2017, 16:29   #422
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

I've no idea when either of them were built...
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Old 04-08-2017, 20:51   #423
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

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It was the renovations at Grenfell that caused the problems. As built, probably nobody would have been injured or killed. The internal fire was put out fairly quickly. It was spreading outside and onwards that was the problem.
As far as I know the fire and smoke spread internally just as quick, the design of the building meant there was only one means of escape, and that was filled with toxic smoke also no fire sprinklers etc.

Are you trying to tell me that a building constructed 50-60 years ago would stand up as well as one built now?

Go outside and have a word with yourself.
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Old 04-08-2017, 21:13   #424
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As far as I know the fire and smoke spread internally just as quick, the design of the building meant there was only one means of escape, and that was filled with toxic smoke also no fire sprinklers etc.

Are you trying to tell me that a building constructed 50-60 years ago would stand up as well as one built now?

Go outside and have a word with yourself.
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Firefighters rescued the pair from the fatal flames at 6.30 am, hours after the inferno began.
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Look at the 4:00BST picture and tell me it didn't spread externally.
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Footage has shown the fire spreading up one side of the building externally, before engulfing the entire block.
The initial internal fire had been put out successfully. Before the renovations the exterior would have been bare concrete. Not known for being that flammable. Where did the "toxic smoke" come from but the insulation and to a lesser degree the cladding.

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Old 05-08-2017, 23:17   #425
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

I'm glad that you obviously have had full access to the results of the inquiry to the disaster than everybody else.

To use a car analogy, the tower was a Mk1 cortina. That had a new paint job, refitted interior and a new sound system.

It looks and feels great, but underneath its still a car built in the early sixties, with a sixties chassis, sixties brakes and suspension.
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I'm glad that you obviously have had full access to the results of the inquiry to the disaster than everybody else.

To use a car analogy, the tower was a Mk1 cortina. That had a new paint job, refitted interior and a new sound system.

It looks and feels great, but underneath its still a car built in the early sixties, with a sixties chassis, sixties brakes and suspension.
Nonsense analogy, of course. If you're going to try and use a vehicle analogy, a better one would be the comparative exterior flammability of the van in the film "Dumb and Dumber", where they took a standard van and covered it in "fur".

If an internal fire had occurred 10 years ago, it would have been put out as it was in this case. If neighbouring flats had also caught fire, they too would have been dealt with in a timely fashion. The fire spread externally and then back into the other flats. How would that have happened with a concrete only exterior? Common sense really.

Internal fire spread is meant to be limited to at least 30mins per flat/floor. The building was engulfed in the space of less than 3hours. That's less than 10mins per floor.
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

So if that cladding was put on a modern building, as many do have, with modern design and modern safeguards. The result would be the same?
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

Oh look here's more poor working class victims of a nasty Tory council who always put the lives and wellbeing of the rich first...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a3610021.html

Oh wait, it's a Labour run borough with 3 Labour MPs and yet Corbyn's cronies don't seem very keen to condemn these decades of neglect on their watch. Hypocrites.
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Oh look here's more poor working class victims of a nasty Tory council who always put the lives and wellbeing of the rich first...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a3610021.html

Oh wait, it's a Labour run borough with 3 Labour MPs and yet Corbyn's cronies don't seem very keen to condemn these decades of neglect on their watch. Hypocrites.
Give it a rest old chap, we still don't know how many have died but still you manage blame Corbyn somehow... The wet August is probably down to him too I should think.
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Old 11-08-2017, 20:50   #430
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Give it a rest old chap, we still don't know how many have died but still you manage blame Corbyn somehow... The wet August is probably down to him too I should think.
It's sickening. If you want to get forensic, the article says that “We didn’t own the blocks when they were constructed at the end of the 1960s, but all the reports we found suggested the blocks were strengthened following the Ronan Point incident in 1968, to make them safe to include a gas supply."
This was when the flats were under Conservative control as they won the GLC at the time.
At the end of the day, the current Council there is taking sensible precautions and should be commended for doing so.
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It really is an obsession with him. It beggars belief that someone could be so egotistical as to believe that their view should override all others and is superior to the point that everyone else is somehow being educated!

It was on Channel 5 this morning that it has been found that, should there be a gas explosion in many similar tower blocks, this would bring them crashing to the ground.

Apparently, people are going to be moved out as a safety precaution.

Whilst I can see that they would want to do this, this is in the middle of the worst housing crisis ever. Would/should residents be able to stay in their own home with the small risk of a gas explosion V the risks of living in the streets/put into temporary housing with all the alcoholics, drug users, ex offenders etc?

It reminds me of the time that children had to start the school year late because the CRB were behind with their checks on teachers.

It would have been less of a risk to allow these teachers to work whilst the CRB caught up than have children wandering the streets and all the associated dangers of this.
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

If anyone would like to donate £3 in aid of those affected by the Grenfell Tower fire, you can do so by texting 'Grenfell' to 70007.
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If anyone would like to donate £3 in aid of those affected by the Grenfell Tower fire, you can do so by texting 'Grenfell' to 70007.
Why would anyone do that, there's million donated already being sat on by organisations, I'm not giving them any more
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

£18.9 million raised in the wake of the disaster
(Thats probably not including that football match today)

There were only 129 flats in the building, so thats already almost £150,000 per flat.
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