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Old 07-07-2017, 21:58   #376
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The council in "How to get a council house" had a 3 strikes rule, turn down 3 and you off the list.
wonder if they have the same here.
this has been politicised to the point where they can demand whatever they want ,no one wants to look like the bad guy and say no .
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Old 07-07-2017, 22:30   #377
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The council in "How to get a council house" had a 3 strikes rule, turn down 3 and you off the list.
wonder if they have the same here.
Probably not.

I'm afraid any sympathy I had for these victims has slowly been lost. Yes, it was tragic, yes some of them lost loved ones as well as belongings (which should have been insured) but so have other people, on a daily basis, since this happened.
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Old 07-07-2017, 23:33   #378
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Probably not.

I'm afraid any sympathy I had for these victims has slowly been lost. Yes, it was tragic, yes some of them lost loved ones as well as belongings (which should have been insured) but so have other people, on a daily basis, since this happened.
And to be honest i work with people who need care many months after a truma, yes i put myself in their shoes.

Its a fact many of the people who need rehoming will know people to put it bluntly who have been cremated to death.

Insurance will play very little part in their state of mind currently.But hey you thought of it.

It seems from postings very few people have much compassion as you have at least demonstrated.

The people involved in possibly the worst London fire since the blitz will need possibly years of support.

But i am sure they will be glad to hear that you at least are running out of sympathy.

Just hope you are able to reflect on your comments.But perhaps not.

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The council in "How to get a council house" had a 3 strikes rule, turn down 3 and you off the list.
wonder if they have the same here.
Yeah pretty sure they had not lived in a block where to put it bluntly where many of their neighbours had been burnt to death .

But hey its nice to know your view.

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Just hope you are able to reflect on your comments.But perhaps not.
Dont hold your breath.
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Dont hold your breath.
I wont as you don't seem to have the skills sorry.
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And to be honest i work with people who need care many months after a truma, yes i put myself in their shoes.

Its a fact many of the people who need rehoming will know people to put it bluntly who have been cremated to death.

Insurance will play very little part in their state of mind currently.But hey you thought of it.

It seems from postings very few people have much compassion as you have at least demonstrated.

The people involved in possibly the worst London fire since the blitz will need possibly years of support.

But i am sure they will be glad to hear that you at least are running out of sympathy.

Just hope you are able to reflect on your comments.But perhaps not.

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Yeah pretty sure they had not lived in a block where to put it bluntly where many of their neighbors had been burnt to death .

But hey its nice to know your view.
You appear to be confusing compassion with the compensation culture prevalent in society now.

Yes they have gone through a very traumatic experience and do need support through that but don't you think the funds raised would not be able to support that? What does it stand at now? Over £10mllion, That's a lot of money per person to put it bluntly.

So please tell me how we can be more compassionate than to contribute more than £10 million to their need and assist them in the future?

As regards rehousing them where do you think the local council will be able to obtain that amount of stock from?

Tough **** they may have to enroll their kid in a different school if offered accommodation in a different borough but what does that matter?

What has compassion to do with that? I Would be more concerned that my child could continue their education wherever it may be
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

Was the Grenfell firefighters equipment up to scratch?.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40535417
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Was the Grenfell firefighters equipment up to scratch?.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40535417
In practice would it have made a jot of difference? Probably not, however in a bit of anti-Tory muck raking, it's peerless.
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block

Questions also need to be asked of how did the fire brigade fail to deal with initial blaze.

As I understand it the fire brigade was there and initially dealt with the fire in the flat, or at least thought they had.
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In practice would it have made a jot of difference? Probably not, however in a bit of anti-Tory muck raking, it's peerless.
No politics mentioned by me as my opinion of politicians is unspeakable on a family forum like CF but l just hope that we can get to the bottom of this grim sad tragedy and at the end of it all lessons are learned and l mean learned and not ignored or put on the back burner until the next tragedy arrives.
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Tough **** they may have to enroll their kid in a different school if offered accommodation in a different borough but what does that matter?
I imagine they don't want to make kids, likely already traumatised from the fire, have to adjust to a new school, in a new environment and have to make new friends. It's hard for kids to move under the best of circumstances let alone after an incident where their homes, possessions and in some cases family members have gone.

I don't understand how people cannot have sympathy here.

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I imagine they don't want to make kids, likely already traumatised from the fire, have to adjust to a new school, in a new environment and have to make new friends. It's hard for kids to move under the best of circumstances let alone after an incident where their homes, possessions and in some cases family members have gone.

I don't understand how people cannot have sympathy here.
You often find that as with many things in life Damien as perhaps if some walked a mile in someone else's shoes and experienced it themselves then they might think rather differently.
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You appear to be confusing compassion with the compensation culture prevalent in society now.

Yes they have gone through a very traumatic experience and do need support through that but don't you think the funds raised would not be able to support that? What does it stand at now? Over £10mllion, That's a lot of money per person to put it bluntly.

So please tell me how we can be more compassionate than to contribute more than £10 million to their need and assist them in the future?

As regards rehousing them where do you think the local council will be able to obtain that amount of stock from?

Tough **** they may have to enroll their kid in a different school if offered accommodation in a different borough but what does that matter?

What has compassion to do with that? I Would be more concerned that my child could continue their education wherever it may be
You seem to be confusing money with solving the problems bought on by people seeing their friends and neighbours to put it bluntly burnt to death in an inferno,i am afraid not even one billion pounds each would solve the mental health problems arising from that , ,

As for housing stock if you have been reading this thread it has been suggested temporary housing via a modular design could be built quickly in the borough if the will was there,

This has possibly been a man made disaster we will have to wait of the inquirey ,why should the people who have suffrered serious trauma suffer more

This is a time when the children at school if they are attending will need their school friends more then ever not shipped far away.

Victim blaming seems to be the name of the game here and its an ugly thing to see.

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I imagine they don't want to make kids, likely already traumatised from the fire, have to adjust to a new school, in a new environment and have to make new friends. It's hard for kids to move under the best of circumstances let alone after an incident where their homes, possessions and in some cases family members have gone.

I don't understand how people cannot have sympathy here.
At least somebody on here seems to get it.

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Questions also need to be asked of how did the fire brigade fail to deal with initial blaze.

As I understand it the fire brigade was there and initially dealt with the fire in the flat, or at least thought they had.
As far as i know when first phoned there was only a fire in one flat, the person who initially made that call has spoken on LBC,when the brigade got there she said the fire had spread to the sixth floor in a few minutes.

So no the brigade had not put the fire out in the one flat AFAIK.


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[/COLOR]I will tell people a bit about where i am coming from i have been down there its utter carnage.

Yes on a personal level it has affected me how this could happen in 2017 is beyond belief ,would it have been different if the government had implimented the measures a coroner recommeded after the Camberwell flat fire in 2009 .

Who knows but they ignored it.

If people are telling me on here this and that go speak to the people down there ,i guess nobody on here has yet the keyboard warriors and their lack of empathy is astounding.

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You often find that as with many things in life Damien as perhaps if some walked a mile in someone else's shoes and experienced it themselves then they might think rather differently.
I can and do put myself in their shoes den, having been down there speaking to people its utterly devastating ,the stuff i have been told has moved me so much.

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