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Old 19-08-2016, 21:34   #46
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

There's a big difference between criticism and death threats & rape threats...
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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There's a big difference between criticism and death threats & rape threats...
There's a big difference between Trolling and making threats to kill or rape ,one is subjective dependant on how sensitive the victim is the other is a crime punishable by jail .Trolling someone on facebook or twitter by calling them names or insulting them is not in any way the same as threatening to kill or rape ,we have rules and procedure in place for the latter we do not need them for the former
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

Yet people appear to be conflating them...
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Yet people appear to be conflating them...
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

If i seriously threaten someone online there were already laws to deal with that no need for additional administritive levels and as years have passed certain people have gotten used to saying the stupidest things. I just see this as being next to useless in dealing with the actual problem but taking officers away from usual day to day activities that are already suffering.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

I think there's quite a few people around who like to whine about and exaggerate abuse, bullying, intimidation, threats etc. but don't mind indulging in some very unpleasant behaviour when it suits them. Of course when it's them doling out the nastiness and threats they don't see it as a problem at all. No doubt when the police scrutiny they welcomed turns up on their front door it'll be yet another excuse to claim they're being victimised. Sad, pathetic, people...
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

I watched some rubbish about trolling celebrities the other day, one of these talent show reject wannabes had a load of surgery because of what the mean people said and then they showed some of the comments, the usual hope you die stuff or why don't you drink bleach etc mildly unpleasant and quiet unoriginal when one said he was going to track down this guys grandmother and chop her hands of to stop her keep ringing in incessantly to vote for him, I found that pretty funny tbh, he got all upset I thought oh no perhaps she is dead or hand less but no she didn't appear to be either and it's then I lost the will to live and switched the drivel of, are people really so sensitive or was it just another excuse to get on the telly.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

'Hope you die' and 'drink bleach' are a bit more than mildly unpleasant, imho...

Pretty sure if those terms were used on a forum, it would get the poster banned...
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'Hope you die' and 'drink bleach' are a bit more than mildly unpleasant, imho...

Pretty sure if those terms were used on a forum, it would get the poster banned...
Really, some stranger you've never met hopes you die, mildly unpleasant is being a bit kind imo, big deal just block them and get on with your life, enjoy the satisfaction that any further success you enjoy will really, really cheese them of
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

I've had people online say they were going to stake me out for animals to kill, put a bullet between my eye's, stab me in numerous bodily places, rape my mother,sister any female family member and burn down my house that one's coming back in popularity. Did i go report them no has a single threat actually been carried out nope not a one because the internet is a place where people vent and say things they never would face to face. Despite the reality a lot of people still think they can say what they like on the internet as it's anonymous and does no physical harm it makes them stupid not serious and certainly not worth the attention of the police.

Sorry but the idea that someone who gets hassled on the internet gets police time when people whose house has been broken into and ransacked and real physical and mental damage done gets a crime number is a joke. There are too many thin skinned precious people getting overly worked up by words on a screen and equally as many who think all aspects with any possible risk should have some protection afforded to it how did we manage to live before all this.
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I've had people online say they were going to stake me out for animals to kill, put a bullet between my eye's, stab me in numerous bodily places, rape my mother,sister any female family member and burn down my house that one's coming back in popularity. Did i go report them no has a single threat actually been carried out nope not a one because the internet is a place where people vent and say things they never would face to face. Despite the reality a lot of people still think they can say what they like on the internet as it's anonymous and does no physical harm it makes them stupid not serious and certainly not worth the attention of the police.

Sorry but the idea that someone who gets hassled on the internet gets police time when people whose house has been broken into and ransacked and real physical and mental damage done gets a crime number is a joke. There are too many thin skinned precious people getting overly worked up by words on a screen and equally as many who think all aspects with any possible risk should have some protection afforded to it how did we manage to live before all this.
There's more to it than that. I believe some people/groups are trying to engineer a situation in which they can effectively stifle opinions they don't like in the name of hate crimes. It's the same sort of warped 'mentality' demonstrated by the rent a mob thugs whose chosen method by which to demonstrate about brutality and violence is to attack the police, smash things up, set fire to buildings, intimidate staff etc.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

We have so many angles to this that make it an utter nightmare to have any specialist unit to deal with it any realistic threats made on or off the internet have sufficient laws in place to deal with them we don't need more. This will end up with police officers spending time more often then not dealing with hurt feelings and bruised ego's not the best use of their time.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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I think there's quite a few people around who like to whine about and exaggerate abuse, bullying, intimidation, threats etc. but don't mind indulging in some very unpleasant behaviour when it suits them. Of course when it's them doling out the nastiness and threats they don't see it as a problem at all. No doubt when the police scrutiny they welcomed turns up on their front door it'll be yet another excuse to claim they're being victimised. Sad, pathetic, people...
All the incidents that i'm aware of have been a one way street.

It's the norm for those who discriminate and bully those in minority groups to try to think of an excuse or make up lies. Most right thinking people now believe that it is no longer socially acceptable to call someone out for being black/disabled/gay etc.

Claims of "they don't pull their weight", "they don't work as part of a team" etc will be used to try and mask their behaviour.

Of course, this doesn't mean that those in minority groups are above criticism where warranted.

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There's more to it than that. I believe some people/groups are trying to engineer a situation in which they can effectively stifle opinions they don't like in the name of hate crimes. It's the same sort of warped 'mentality' demonstrated by the rent a mob thugs whose chosen method by which to demonstrate about brutality and violence is to attack the police, smash things up, set fire to buildings, intimidate staff etc.
Some opinions are illegal to express in certain situations. It's always worth remembering that we do not have complete freedom of speech in this country and for very sound reasons.

In addition, despite us all being very different, as a society we all need to rub along together.

Part of this includes expressing ourselves tactfully, respectfully and politely; at other times it might mean having some self control and not saying anything if it is likely to lead to upset and hurt.

I remember you posting that this is something that you've tried to instill into your son.

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We have so many angles to this that make it an utter nightmare to have any specialist unit to deal with it any realistic threats made on or off the internet have sufficient laws in place to deal with them we don't need more. This will end up with police officers spending time more often then not dealing with hurt feelings and bruised ego's not the best use of their time.
Research has shown that the "sticks and stones may break my bones, but calling will never hurt me" stance to be ineffective and wholly untrue. As a result, plans are afoot to treat verbal abuse in exactly the same way as physical abuse.

This is because sustained verbal or online bullying can do as much, if not more, damage than a physical attack.

What you may just brush off could end up with someone else taking their own life.

I've seen forum posts where those clearly suffering from mental health problems/disabilities have been castigated, vilified and bullied because of their 'behaviour'.

It's certainly a problematic and difficult area and i'm glad that it's being addressed at last.
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'Hope you die' and 'drink bleach' are a bit more than mildly unpleasant, imho...

Pretty sure if those terms were used on a forum, it would get the poster banned...
My mind casts back to some of Alan Fry's highly offensive postings elsewhere. Wonder if he's at all worried...
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It's certainly a problematic and difficult area and i'm glad that it's being addressed at last.
It's not being addressed any more than it is now simply because it cannot be anymore addressed .It simply is not a clear cut ,black and white issue like theft or murder where evidence is available to make the decision .Bullying and name calling is subjective ,what may be bullying to some is simple teasing to others ,there is already enough legislation and procedure in place to deal with it
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