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Old 29-09-2016, 10:53   #691
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Its pretty obvious he's still thinking in 1980s terms, especially in education.

He promised an "arts pupil premium for every child in England and Wales".

Problem is, education in Wales is the responsibility of the Welsh Government, not the Westminster one, and I'd imagine Welsh Labour have other stuff to spend the money on...
He's locked in the past, like so many others of his ilk.

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I think some of that speech will resonate with people though. The idea that we should actually be taking advantage of low borrowing rates to invest in the country isn't a new idea or an especially left-wing idea, it's what America did in the aftermath of 2008, and hopefully the Government is now planning to move away from the strict austerity program.

Home building too is badly needed, I don't understand why successive governments have failed on this. Just let councils pay for it and contract out the work to current developers. It's hardly a risky investment is it? You'll make a profit on selling them or they can use them as social housing rather than paying landlords via housing benefit.

Hopefully May steals some of these 'ideas'.

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We should be very cautious. Our electoral system means that he is the most likely Prime Minister if the Tories don't win the next election, he is the defacto alternative choice. It's very unlikely of course, especially when the Tories hit him with all his foreign policy views which will scare most voters, but then so was Trump getting anywhere near the White House and now that's quite possible.

All it takes is people being even more anti-establishment, maybe a recession, and people may suddenly look to Corbyn. One thing he has going for him is people don't think of him as a member of the political elite as it where. People won't like his pro-Russian, anti-Western, foreign policy but Trump is rather pro-Russian and anti-Western and that hasn't harmed him. Trump has made gaffs, seems incompetent and again he is doing fine.

A sudden change and Corbyn as PM might be very real.
We've been here before electorally and no matter how tough times are, nothing that Labour can say or do will, IMHO, sufficiently inspire the masses to vote for Corbyn. As leader of the second biggest party in parliament of course he's the next most likely non-Conservative PM but the Tories would have to become a complete joke in order for Labour (under Corbyn) to be elected. The Tories have been less than popular since 2010 and times have been very tough but people still chose them ahead of Labour under Brown or Miliband and that was with an electoral situation structurally more favourable to Labour. Corbyn's just told everyone how relaxed he is about migration numbers and that isn't going to help his cause no matter what else he does.

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Old 29-09-2016, 13:07   #692
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We've been here before electorally and no matter how tough times are, nothing that Labour can say or do will, IMHO, sufficiently inspire the masses to vote for Corbyn. As leader of the second biggest party in parliament of course he's the next most likely non-Conservative PM but the Tories would have to become a complete joke in order for Labour (under Corbyn) to be elected. The Tories have been less than popular since 2010 and times have been very tough but people still chose them ahead of Labour under Brown or Miliband and that was with an electoral situation structurally more favourable to Labour. Corbyn's just told everyone how relaxed he is about migration numbers and that isn't going to help his cause no matter what else he does.
I agree but I still think recent events have shown us not to underestimate the anger that is out there and the appeal of anti-establishment candidates no matter how much they may seem unable to do the job. Trump in America, Le Pen in France, Syriza in Greece.

I still think it's unlikely but I wouldn't assume it's not a real possibility. Say there is a recession and increasing public anger and suddenly things can change. Especially if the argument that austerity didn't work for 8 years and instead prevented growth takes hold.
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Of course it's a possibility, just an extremely unlikely one.
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I agree but I still think recent events have shown us not to underestimate the anger that is out there and the appeal of anti-establishment candidates no matter how much they may seem unable to do the job. Trump in America, Le Pen in France, Syriza in Greece.

I still think it's unlikely but I wouldn't assume it's not a real possibility. Say there is a recession and increasing public anger and suddenly things can change. Especially if the argument that austerity didn't work for 8 years and instead prevented growth takes hold.
Le Front National and Syriza are anti-establishment by virtue of being fringe parties people have turned to having lost faith in the mainstream. Trump is anti-establishment by virtue of not having any prior political record.

There is nothing remotely anti-establishment about Jezza or the Labour Party. In fact in some parts of the country Labour has been losing votes to parties that are anti-establishment (ukip) or are at least good at looking like they are (the SNP).
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and some great pledges


the pledges:

Full employment
A secure homes guarantee
Security at work
A strong public NHS and social care
A National Education service for all
Action on Climate Change
Public ownership and control of our services
A cut in inequality of income and wealth
Action to secure an equal society
Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy
You seem to have omitted the open door immigration pledge. No restrictions whatsoever. Another vote winner.
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You seem to have omitted the open door immigration pledge. No restrictions whatsoever. Another vote winner.
Or paying for the multi-billion Trident replacement program but promising never to use it - great advert for a economically responsible party.
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You seem to have omitted the open door immigration pledge. No restrictions whatsoever. Another vote winner.
oh contraire mon ami -once we all have our free council house free nationalised energy and loads of benefits etc to live off some one will have to do the work [enter johny foreigner its all part of the plan don't ya just love socialism -power to the people
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Or paying for the multi-billion Trident replacement program but promising never to use it - great advert for a economically responsible party.
It's good that we're regularly reminded of the sort of deluded nonsense this guy is capable of.

Potential PM???

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It's good that we're regularly reminded of the sort of deluded nonsense this guy is capable of.

Potential PM???
Beginning to think you're not a fan

The Torygraph seems obsessed with either Corbyn (or the communist BBC). Don't know why they're so paranoid if he has no chance of being elected
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One day someone will write a biography on Jezza - maybe they'll call it Corbyn's Clangers.



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Have those pledges been chiselled into a monolithic stone yet?
Have they been costed either?...
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Beginning to think you're not a fan

The Torygraph seems obsessed with either Corbyn (or the communist BBC). Don't know why they're so paranoid if he has no chance of being elected
They are obsessed with him because of this kind of thing:
Jeremy Corbyn promises socialism, the poisonous dogma that has killed millions of innocents
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Socialism kills. It is not necessary to reach back into history to prove that assertion, though the millions killed by Stalin’s Soviet purges and economic failures should never be forgotten when any politician extols the virtues of socialism. Contemporary evidence abounds in Venezuela. Mr Corbyn has lavishly praised the socialist rulers who have murderously ruined its once-healthy economy, a disaster whose cost is borne by the weak and vulnerable the Left claims to champion.


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This is the kind of future that Corbyn and his fellow brain donors would ensure us:
Venezuela: how the socialist paradise turned into debt and hyperinflation hell
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They are obsessed with him because of this kind of thing:
Jeremy Corbyn promises socialism, the poisonous dogma that has killed millions of innocents


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This is the kind of future that Corbyn and his fellow brain donors would ensure us:
Venezuela: how the socialist paradise turned into debt and hyperinflation hell
Yes according to Comrade Corbyn, Venezuela was supposed to be Utopia wasn't it? A toilet roll free Utopia it seems...

No doubt his ambition is to turn the UK into a similar paradise...

Well, to be fair, Brown had a bloody good try...

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Seems paranoia is rapant ! It is true L is for Labour, L is for lice....
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Beginning to think you're not a fan

The Torygraph seems obsessed with either Corbyn (or the communist BBC). Don't know why they're so paranoid if he has no chance of being elected
So you are happy with this sort of thing are you?

In so doing, he has made Labour a haven for people of odious dogma and bigotry. The Liverpool conference saw activists from his Momentum group openly selling pamphlets mocking disabled British soldiers and questioning the need to commemorate Jewish victims of the Holocaust.
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So you are happy with this sort of thing are you?

In so doing, he has made Labour a haven for people of odious dogma and bigotry. The Liverpool conference saw activists from his Momentum group openly selling pamphlets mocking disabled British soldiers and questioning the need to commemorate Jewish victims of the Holocaust.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2...a-that-has-ki/
Nah cuddly Corby's not like that at all, it's all right wing lies you know...
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