Manchester Arena Terror Attack: 22 Dead : 50+ Injured

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

The US media keeps revealing details of the on-going investigation despite the requests from the UK to knock it off.

Requests to US intelligence to stop the leaks, not the media to stop printing them

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7752511.html

Originally Posted by Damien

The killer has been reported to the police twice by two people: https://twitter.com/FrankRGardner/st...06559508398080

As I'm sure have thousands of others, none of who will go on to blow themselves, and others, up.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Requests to US intelligence to stop the leaks, not the media to stop printing them

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7752511.html

They are still leaking to the US media, who are in turn broadcasting out so no difference.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

We could have millions of police and security service personnel and things like this would still happen it just isn't possible to maintain 24\7 surveillance of all the flagged people. We cannot prevent cowards doing these things and have the society we have so unless people want a change in the type of society to make this less likely and make things easier for the security services but then that would be doing exactly what these lowlife cowards want.

Spot on. How many Potential attacks have been thwarted in last few years? 13? 14?

As the Manchester Attack shows, it only takes one to slip through the cracks.

Making this political does not help at all.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

They are still leaking to the US media, who are in turn broadcasting out so no difference.

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Spot on. How many Potential attacks have been thwarted in last few years? 13? 14?

As the Manchester Attack shows, it only takes one to slip through the cracks.

Making this political does not help at all.

It makes a difference to me, our special ally is leaking information and we've asked them to stop, they haven't, why is that, are they trying to undermine the donald, pretty disgusting if so, using the murder of children to score cheap political points. Whereas the press is the press, why would anyone expect better of them.

Someone posted a link the other day saying attacks were being thwarted every 9 days on average, can't remember the time frames involved though

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It makes a difference to me, our special ally is leaking information and we've asked them to stop, they haven't, why is that, are they trying to undermine the donald, pretty disgusting if so, using the murder of children to score cheap political points. Whereas the press is the press, why would anyone expect better of them.

The US is leaking photo's taken by Forensic Intelligence officials in Britain and guess which media outlet is leaking the photos?

Yep, the New York Times. They are a bunch of cretins of the highest order. There is clearly some rogue element, as you say, doing as you suggested.

The leaking itself of sensitive information is surely a crime, publishing it, should also be a crime.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Requests to US intelligence to stop the leaks, not the media to stop printing them

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7752511.html

US is getting a poor reputation for leaking information - first the Israeli information on Isis and now this is leaked. Both the US intelligence and its media that reproduce this information should know better.
The most important thing is that perpetrators are caught and crimes prevented, not that we all have a good gossip about the suspects whilst they leg it out of the country.

Manchester attack: Police hunt 'network' behind bomber
A fifth man has been arrested in the UK over Monday's bombing at a pop concert at Manchester Arena, as police said they were investigating a "network".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40032504

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

US is getting a poor reputation for leaking information - first the Israeli information on Isis and now this is leaked. Both the US intelligence and its media that reproduce this information should know better.
The most important thing is that perpetrators are caught and crimes prevented, not that we all have a good gossip about the suspects whilst they leg it out of the country.

NYT getting a roasting on it's FB page, they have shared the photo's there of the bomb parts or what's left of them.

I told them what I thought of them when they posted photo's of the bodies lying on the Manchester Arena floor.

Originally Posted by Mick

The leaking itself of sensitive information is surely a crime, publishing it, should also be a crime.

Making it a crime is a bit dramatic (the publishing of), a lot of journalists would be in jail if it were a crime. I am not sure the risks/ethnics of publishing further details about the bomb although the NYT weren't the ones to name the bomber (was CBS).

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According to the security reporter for the FT the UK is considering not sharing everything with the States: https://twitter.com/samgadjones/stat...86128382914560

Trumps win in the states has upset a lot of people in the political establishment over there and they will use anything they think will do damage to trump and it's sickening that they would use any attack much less one aimed at kids. This attack might have been one coward but there were clearly more behind it and they may still be intending to attack again we need to stop everyone that is trying to politicise this and get behind our country.

Originally Posted by Damien

According to the security reporter for the FT the UK is considering not sharing everything with the States: https://twitter.com/samgadjones/stat...86128382914560

I don't see how that helps anyone. Surely the leaker needs to be found i.e A court order issued to NYT demanding they hand over information of the leakers, shutting down a parts of an intelligence arm means the terrorists win.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Trumps win in the states has upset a lot of people in the political establishment over there and they will use anything they think will do damage to trump and it's sickening that they would use any attack much less one aimed at kids. This attack might have been one coward but there were clearly more behind it and they may still be intending to attack again we need to stop everyone that is trying to politicise this and get behind our country.

Not sure this is so much about Trump as the whole thing being out of control. This doesn't hurt Trump that much if anything it helps him shift the focus on his own crisis to the question of whose leaking the information which they've been trying to do unsuccessfully for weeks.

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Originally Posted by Mick

I don't see how that helps anyone. Surely the leaker needs to be found i.e A court order issued to NYT demanding they hand over information of the leakers, shutting down a parts of an intelligence arm means the terrorists win.

They could try that, doubt it would work. The Americans take freedom of the press very seriously. It would be something that almost certainly would end up at the Supreme Court if it even got that far.

Also it's multiple papers and maybe multiple sources. It wasn't the NYT that published the information about the bomber yesterday.

The investigation of the leaker would have to be done by the government internally.

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Another person arrested bringing the total to 7

Police has stopped sharing information about the Manchester bombing to the US: https://twitter.com/BBCDomC/status/867637121938583553

[Ramrod]

Islamists are very clear about what they want – we just aren’t listening

our society wonders: what would make someone do such a thing? The tone of bafflement is strange — like a society that keeps asking a question, but keeps its fingers lodged firmly in its ears whenever it is given the answer.
For their part, the Islamists are amazingly clear about what they want and the reasons why they act accordingly. You never have to read between the lines.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Islamists are very clear about what they want – we just aren’t listening

paywall, I wouldn't mind reading the article though. too tight to pay for it.

[tweetiepooh]

In one sense it's irrelevant what Islamists or any other group want if we are unwilling or unable to comply. It is also irrelevant if those groups resort to terror. Terrorists are just that and should be treated accordingly, and if the group they (claim to) represent supports those actions it too should be treated accordingly. (I would add that individual members need to be assessed on their own personal attitudes and involvement. As an example if a person is coerced or "brainwashed" do we act the same as someone knowingly and willingly commits or plans to commit some crime.)

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Another comment is also true, we don't know how many attacks are foiled and not published. And attacks like the one in Manchester and others we see around the world are next to impossible to stop all. The next bomb could be out in the street somewhere, imagine an attack on Chinese New Year celebrations or some other outdoor, outside crowd. Just put your device just outside "the cordon" where the crowd is still big enough but you won't get checked.