The 2017 General Election

[Osem]

More Labour lies:

Prominent Corbynistas have been peddling false claims this afternoon that the government has issued a D-Notice preventing the reporting of the death toll from Grenfell.

https://order-order.com/2017/06/16/c...ice-fake-news/

What's Corbyn doing about all this? Pathetic...

---------- Post added at 09:57 ---------- Previous post was at 09:54 ----------

Originally Posted by Paul M

The DUP are not going to get any of those policies into law simply by agreeing to help with a few votes, anyone who thinks otherwise is in cookoo land.

That would certainly account for them being Corbyn supporters...

[ianch99]

Even the Daily Mail is reflecting most people's perception of this Prime Minister:

Maybot Malfunction: After being booed by Grenfell victims, Theresa May caps another dreadful day with 'inhuman' TV interview and fails to give a single straight answer after being accused of misreading public's anger

It is pathetic that people want to focus on what "lefty luvvies" do or don't do. What is a priority for most rational people is what the current leader of this country is doing and how much she understands the mood of the people.

Even the Queen, at 91, went to meet the Grenfell residents. No problems with security there then ..

Originally Posted by ianch99

Even the Queen, at 91, went to meet the Grenfell residents. No problems with security there then ..

When was the last time the queen had to content with anti government mobs ?

As the report you linked to states (twice) ;

When Mrs May eventually left the church she was met by a barrage of abuse from the public

If thats the way they behave then they dont deserve a visit.

---------- Post added at 11:32 ---------- Previous post was at 11:30 ----------

Even worse ;

Other people screamed 'murderer', 'shame on you' and 'coward' at the Prime Minister as she abandoned the meeting to return to the security of Downing Street.

These people are pathetic.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think a lot of the 'rich lefities' have been helping. Hans Zimmer donated all the proceeds of his concert the other night the fund, many have contributed to the fund (I know Coldplay and Brian Eno did), Jamie Oliver got his restuant in White City to feed/drink those made homeless for free, Lily Allen offered rooms to people reportedly as she lives in the area, Raheem Sterling also made a big donation it seems.

Lots of wealthy people on all sides of the political spectrum will give donations etc. to causes such as this. I was referring to those on the left who make such a big deal about the evil rich and helping the needy but never seem to do that much. If you can show me one such who offered to house refugees I'll show you many more who promised to but didn't.

The people I reckon who're the real givers are not the multi-millionaire celebs who donate concert proceeds (generated in the main from much poorer people anyway) but the ordinary folk who turned up at the scene, gave some some of what little they have and got their hands dirty. They're the ones who deserve the real plaudits not uber rich Sir Saint Holier Than Though and the like who could well afford to do a whole lot more than they do and still have more money than they know what to do with.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Osem

Lots of wealthy people on all sides of the political spectrum will give donations etc. to causes such as this. I was referring to those on the left who make such a big deal about the evil rich and helping the needy but never seem to do that much. If you can show me one such who offered to house refugees I'll show you many more who promised to but didn't.

The people I reckon who're the real givers are not the multi-millionaire celebs who donate concert proceeds (generated in the main from much poorer people anyway) but the ordinary folk who turned up at the scene, gave some some of what little they have and got their hands dirty. They're the ones who deserve the real plaudits not uber rich Sir Saint Holier Than Though and the like who could well afford to do a whole lot more than they do and still have more money than they know what to do with.

And there is the voice of reason. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Paul M

When was the last time the queen had to content with anti government mobs ?

As the report you linked to states (twice) ;



If thats the way they behave then they dont deserve a visit.

---------- Post added at 11:32 ---------- Previous post was at 11:30 ----------

Even worse ;



These people are pathetic.

What is pathetic is conflating protesters and the people affected by this tragedy.

[Ramrod]

THINK LOGICALLY ABOUT CORBYN'S SOCIALIST IDEALS ..

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Corbyn's vision of socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Corbyn's ideological plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for £ 's )something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

It could not be any simpler than that.

There are five morals to this story:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation

Reposting this. It's interesting that when stuff like this is posted here/facebook etc, the silence from the left is deafening.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Reposting this. It's interesting that when stuff like this is posted here/facebook etc, the silence from the left is deafening.

In a perfect world there's nothing to disagree with the above as it basic common sense, but it ain't a perfect world. As it stands the rich get richer and the poor is getting poorer. It's no wonder why people vote Labour or whatever. It's not to be a socialist but because their circumstances might be a little bit better under Labour. Some just can't afford to vote for the better of the country when some are hit harder than others, it's personal.

Probably the 'left' here don't bother voicing their opinions or concerns here as it's just too hostile and just too blue here so it's just not worth it, not because 'the silence is deafening'.

Originally Posted by ianch99

What is pathetic is conflating protesters and the people affected by this tragedy.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by peanut

In a perfect world there's nothing to disagree with the above as it basic common sense, but it ain't a perfect world. As it stands the rich get richer and the poor is getting poorer. It's no wonder why people vote Labour or whatever. It's not to be a socialist but because their circumstances might be a little bit better under Labour. Some just can't afford to vote for the better of the country when some are hit harder than others, it's personal.

Probably the 'left' here don't bother voicing their opinions or concerns here as it's just too hostile and just too blue here so it's just not worth it, not because 'the silence is deafening'.

Whether some one is to the left , or to the right or to the centre or whatever they are politically its their right to be whatever way they want to be politically but whatever way they are they should not be insulted or patronised and sadly there has been far too much of that lately on this forum IMO and l find that pretty sad from grown adults who seem to find it hard to debate rationally and in a common sense way rather then in a insulting and patronising way.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by peanut

In a perfect world there's nothing to disagree with the above as it basic common sense, but it ain't a perfect world. As it stands the rich get richer and the poor is getting poorer. It's no wonder why people vote Labour or whatever. It's not to be a socialist but because their circumstances might be a little bit better under Labour. Some just can't afford to vote for the better of the country when some are hit harder than others, it's personal.

Probably the 'left' here don't bother voicing their opinions or concerns here as it's just too hostile and just too blue here so it's just not worth it, not because 'the silence is deafening'.

yes, this forum does have quite a nasty right wing 'mafia' which isn't representative of the country. But don't let that stop you posting, it doesn't stop me. The right can howl, but things are changing whether they like it or not.

---------- Post added at 21:13 ---------- Previous post was at 21:09 ----------

Originally Posted by denphone

Whether some one is to the left , or to the right or to the centre or whatever they are politically its their right to be whatever way they want to be politically but whatever way they are they should not be insulted or patronised and sadly there has been far too much of that lately on this forum IMO and l find that pretty sad from grown adults who seem to find it hard to debate rationally and in a common sense way rather then in a insulting and patronising way.

Thing is Den, I suspect some of them are OAPs, if they were teenagers some of their posts would be more understandable. There is hope for the young in this country, if the self interested older generation don't totally **** it up for them.

We live in the age of "whats best for me" and everyones at it there are no saints out there so when one group accuses another it's hypocrisy pure and simple but your not supposed to notice so just carry on as normal. The time of real conviction and belief are also gone they only last as long as it takes to negatively impact the supporters who then quickly change their position add in the growing band of "I'm offended on behalf of everyone else" and you have the main reason people want out of this country. We have become a nation of superficial talking heads with integrity as deep as a puddle and that's why we have the crap standard of politicians we have as a nation, we don't deserve any better and until the public improve it's a bit of a laugh expecting politicians to improve.

If i had the cash I'd leave tomorrow this UK isn't worth it anymore.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

We live in the age of "whats best for me" and everyones at it there are no saints out there so when one group accuses another it's hypocrisy pure and simple but your not supposed to notice so just carry on as normal. The time of real conviction and belief are also gone they only last as long as it takes to negatively impact the supporters who then quickly change their position add in the growing band of "I'm offended on behalf of everyone else" and you have the main reason people want out of this country. We have become a nation of superficial talking heads with integrity as deep as a puddle and that's why we have the crap standard of politicians we have as a nation, we don't deserve any better and until the public improve it's a bit of a laugh expecting politicians to improve.

If i had the cash I'd leave tomorrow this UK isn't worth it anymore.

Can't disagree with that!

Originally Posted by Mr K

Thing is Den, I suspect some of them are OAPs, if they were teenagers some of their posts would be more understandable. There is hope for the young in this country, if the self interested older generation don't totally **** it up for them.

So far you have mocked the disabled and now you're attacking the older generation. I did not think anyone could stoop so low.

But anyway, you have that the wrong way round - the way I see it, all these fake protests, (of course not talking about the London Tower one, they have a rightful cause on their own), but here we have, some of the young, hi-jacking this tragic cause of theirs and using it, because they disagree with yet again, a democratic result.

Originally Posted by Mr K

yes, this forum does have quite a nasty right wing 'mafia' which isn't representative of the country. But don't let that stop you posting, it doesn't stop me. The right can howl, but things are changing whether they like it or not.

Think you need to look in the mirror when it comes to the nastiness, given your attacks on the older generation and mockery of the disabled.

However, yes, things are changing for the better, we are leaving the EU and not before time!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

So far you have mocked the disabled and now you're attacking the older generation. I did not think anyone could stoop so low.

But anyway, you have that the wrong way round - the way I see it, all these fake protests, (of course not talking about the London Tower one, they have a rightful cause on their own), but here we have, some of the young, hi-jacking this tragic cause of theirs and using it, because they disagree with yet again, a democratic result.



Think you need to look in the mirror when it comes to the nastiness, given your attacks on the older generation and mockery of the disabled.

However, yes, things are changing for the better, we are leaving the EU and not before time!

Mockery of the disabled Mick?? The suggestion that the PM might have autistic traights isn't new. If she does she has my every sympathy in that regard, not mockery.

tbh it's no wonder the stuff that goes down on this forum when you yourself set the bar so low, and are less than even handed. Not going anywhere mate or giving up posting like others have. You could ban me if you want, so you can have an echo chamber with your right wing chums, though I guess even you would soon tire of that.