Superhub : Battle of the Hubs - The Prequel

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

You said:

And then made various contradictory statements about paying for something better than the Superhub.

Early results show the Superhub is already "as good" as a (RRP) £150 standalone router in many situations. But the BT Hub3 manages to beat both while being free.

Now when I have some more detailed numbers I'll draw up some pretty graphs for your narrow-minded highness, until then, you jumping into every thread about the Superhub bashing Superhub bashers is just baiting them. Poor show. Quit doing it, or quit complaining about a problem you're creating yourself.

Here we go again, throwing insults about because someone dares to question your constant moaning about VM.

It's quite obvious that you have carried out these tests just to show that the BT hub it better than the shub.

The fact is, if it serves it's purpose for 99% of people using it, then who cares about what you can do with all sorts of addons and antennas.

You really need to get a life away from radio signals before you fry your brain.

[craigj2k12]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Here we go again, throwing insults about because someone dares to question your constant moaning about VM.

It's quite obvious that you have carried out these tests just to show that the BT hub it better than the shub.

The fact is, if it serves it's purpose for 99% of people using it, then who cares about what you can do with all sorts of addons and antennas.

You really need to get a life away from radio signals before you fry your brain.

your pulling these facts from a crevice in your lower back region

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

It's quite obvious that you have carried out these tests just to show that the BT hub it better than the shub.

No, I carried out these tests - and will carry out more - because I like facts, and results. Some people make up insults in the face of facts, lie, and change their story like you've just done.

Thankfully I don't have to give a toss about what you think because it's all rubbish and even you don't believe in it yourself.

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Originally Posted by craigj2k12

your pulling these facts from a crevice in your lower back region

I think everything he says comes from said crevice:

Tim: "Not another superhub bashing thread"
You: "This isn't a superhub bashing thread"
Tim: "Oh I wasn't talking about this thread"
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Tim: "If you want better you have to pay for it"
Me: "BT Home Hub is better and free"
Tim: *blah blah blah ignores facts throws insults*
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Tim: "But superhub wireless is crap!"
Me: "Superhub wireless is already as good as a £150 standalone router"
Tim: *Blah blah insult blah* "constant moaning about VM" *blah blah more rubbish blah*

I think we should just ignore the troll from now on, since he's inevitably going to try derail every thread about the Superhub on this forum.

[Stephen]

Enough!!

Grow up you lot.

[Sirius]

Its simple really.

I found the shub did not do what i wanted it to do in router mode. Therefor as a grown up i made the decision to change to modem mode and use a different router.

And that is what i have done and have not spent every breath i take slagging of the shub to everyone. I have far better things in my life than ranting about a router on a forum

[craigj2k12]

but he isnt, hes performing real life tests, as well as making modifications to the hub to see whats wrong with it. I must admit ive given the superhub a fair bit of abuse myself, but thats not what this thread is about, its someone who is giving their own time and money to perform tests and gain facts, you should all be appreciative of qas' efforts

[qasdfdsaq]

Gaining and sharing information. Tis the prerogativeof a wannnabe academic who doesn't wanna be an academic

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Not another shub bashing thread

It's quite simple really. VM are a business, and they have come up with a good all round modem/wifi router that suits mast peoples needs, and is probably cheap for them to buy (remember the customer gets it free). It wouldn't make good business sense to go for one that is 4x the price, as it would be far more than most people need, and would lower profits.

However for anyone who finds that the wifi router isn't powerful enough, then they have the option to use their own.

If you want the best, then you have to pay for it!!!!!

I don't see this thread in that way - I think qasi is being pragmatic and unbiased in the way he is reporting his findings.

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Gaining and sharing information. Tis the prerogativeof a wannnabe academic who doesn't wanna be an academic

I share your pain/ambition...

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Originally Posted by craigj2k12

if you could show me one in this thread that would be great thanks

Originally Posted by kwikbreaks

You have far too much time on your hands?

You've got Infinity now so cancel VM and decide which of your routers to use on it then do so.

IMO you are flogging a dead horse discusing the SuperHub as people now have pretty entrenched positions.

For example I consider it to be a POS and will not be surprised by any test results you come up with (I'm confident none will show it in a good light).

OTOH the last posts I read from Masque/Peter_ were still extolling its virtues and proclaiming it to be the best thing since sliced bread. Considering this was his reply to every post even touching on discussing the wretched thing to the point where I couldn't be bothered reading any more and put him on ignore I doubt that his mind has been changed or ever will be even if you proved the thing was highly radioactive and would explode in 2012 killing everybody in a 100ft radius and start a chain reaction that caused the sun to go supernova.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Gaining and sharing information. Tis the prerogativeof a wannnabe academic who doesn't wanna be an academic

My post was not aimed at you BTW, Its aimed at those who just answer every thread that has the super hub mentioned in it with a load of ranting. Its now getting o so boring and predictable

[qasdfdsaq]

Yes, I'm thinking of posting the actual full data on my blog instead and just linking them here, that way the ranting in between posts won't detract from the actual results.

[Andrewcrawford23]

i think it is adminarible qas is testing it because if he doing it right or very least giving the way he benchmarked it and it shows it crap or good then after that it comes down to peopel opinions just now it my opinion it is crap because all i hear is the bad stories but i knwo there is some good that why i start the superhub usage i am trying to be non bias and trying to gie ans many optiosn as possible for both reasons for using and not using but my poll isnt perfect i missed some optiosn that shiuld have been there to make ti even more fairer

i beleive in opinions but i also beleive in testing and polls that are not skewed to yoru own way to say the results are what oyu want goverments and big business do this a lot

[kwikbreaks]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You are twisting his words and exaggerating what he says to support your view that all shubs are rubbish and VM are in denial about this alleged 'fact', which, IMHO, doesn't help your proposition.

I have no agenda concerning the Superhub other than to say what I said - nobody is likely to be swayed by the results of these "tests" which are hardly going to be scientific anyway. The only way to test network throughput is by file transfers on your own LAN not speedtests of an internet service.

If there wasn't a mod ruling about not bickering I'd have plenty more to say about your comment.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Here we go again, throwing insults about because someone dares to question your constant moaning about VM.

It's quite obvious that you have carried out these tests just to show that the BT hub it better than the shub.

The fact is, if it serves it's purpose for 99% of people using it, then who cares about what you can do with all sorts of addons and antennas.

You really need to get a life away from radio signals before you fry your brain.

you cant prove the 99%.

given the firmware changes done for the superhub its probable that more than 1% reported problems. Its also probable many people have had problems but not reported it. Of course I use the word probable because I cant prove it, I dont claim it to be fact.

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Originally Posted by kwikbreaks

I have no agenda concerning the Superhub other than to say what I said - nobody is likely to be swayed by the results of these "tests" which are hardly going to be scientific anyway. The only way to test network throughput is by file transfers on your own LAN not speedtests of an internet service.

If there wasn't a mod ruling about not bickering I'd have plenty more to say about your comment.

I agree, lan testing should be used in this case and whatever the results noone is going to change their viewpoint either.

[Andrewcrawford23]

well when i get one because of the upgrad ei will be detemrine to keep thevmng300 for a while until i really need to go to the shub what i will do is run various tests to determine network speeds over lan, over wireless and to test the wireless relibailty i will post hwo i have conducted the test and i will try make them as fair as possible with hopefully comparsion to other similar devices, once i have posted if someone says oh that favour x or y i willr edo the tests until we can all agreed ok the tests have been fair and here is the result i wont be trying to change people opinions on it only to say here is fair test on it that we all agree on

[hjf288]

If you are implying the WNDR3700 was the £150 RRP router... compare it to a E4200 or another brand..

Netgear products are overpriced and of poor quality which is sad considering they used to have some good hardware..

Homehubs are made by Techicolor (Thomson) and while the hardware is good, the software isn't :p