Home News Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | [Updated]Abu Qatada finally deported to Jordan

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > General Discussion > Current Affairs

[Updated]Abu Qatada finally deported to Jordan
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 17-01-2012, 10:50   #1
denphone
Still alive and fighting
 
denphone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: In the land of beyond and beyond.
Services: XL BB, 3 360 boxes , XL TV.
Posts: 56,296
denphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden aura
denphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden aura
[Updated]Abu Qatada finally deported to Jordan

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16590662

Quote:
Radical cleric Abu Qatada has won his appeal against deportation to Jordan.

The European Court of Human Rights said that the preacher could not be removed from the UK because of Jordan's record on torture.

The Strasbourg judges accepted that the UK's deal with Jordan over treatment of deported suspects was sound.

Abu Qatada has fought for six years against deportation, saying he faced trial based on evidence extracted by torture.

The British government can make a final attempt to appeal the judgement before it becomes binding in three months' time.
__________________
“The only lesson you can learn from history is that it repeats itself”
denphone is offline   Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Old 17-01-2012, 10:57   #2
Osem
Inactive
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Right here!
Posts: 22,316
Osem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered stars
Osem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered starsOsem is seeing silvered stars
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

Another troublemaker have to put up with and support forever then. Evidently the risk he poses to us all is outweighed by the risk that he might suffer if he were deported...
Osem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-01-2012, 11:03   #3
Alan Fry
Permanently Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Radio Cairo, Hampstead, London
Services: 100 MB Broadband, XL Tv, Sky Sports and Movies HD, all other prenium channels, 3 TIVO, 2 V HD
Posts: 2,937
Alan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecart
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

The Council of Europe need to replace the European Convention on Human Rights with a new human rights document fit for purpose for the 21st century!
Alan Fry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-01-2012, 14:43   #4
ceedee
cf.geek
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bath
Services: 100Mb VM Broadband
Posts: 825
ceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond repute
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry View Post
The Council of Europe need to replace the European Convention on Human Rights with a new human rights document fit for purpose for the 21st century!
What kind of human rights declaration do you imagine would sanction 'exporting' suspects to countries widely recognised for systematic torture?
ceedee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-01-2012, 14:55   #5
Alan Fry
Permanently Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Radio Cairo, Hampstead, London
Services: 100 MB Broadband, XL Tv, Sky Sports and Movies HD, all other prenium channels, 3 TIVO, 2 V HD
Posts: 2,937
Alan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecart
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

Quote:
Originally Posted by ceedee View Post
What kind of human rights declaration do you imagine would sanction 'exporting' suspects to countries widely recognised for systematic torture?
If they have commited crimes in other countries (with the exception of democracy, human rights activists and perscuted people) why should we keep them here, Britain should not be a haven for rouges!
Alan Fry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-01-2012, 15:10   #6
Gary L
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,325
Gary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny star
Gary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny starGary L has a nice shiny star
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

We need someone like James Bond who can bump him off, no questions asked.
Gary L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-01-2012, 15:41   #7
ceedee
cf.geek
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bath
Services: 100Mb VM Broadband
Posts: 825
ceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond repute
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry View Post
If they have commited crimes in other countries (with the exception of democracy, human rights activists and perscuted people) why should we keep them here, Britain should not be a haven for rouges
You'd trust the verdicts of a legal system (based largely on Sharia) in a dodgy monarchy acknowledged by the US State Dept as a conducting systematic torture?

How about the cases of Abdel Hakim Belhadj and Sami al-Saadi who were rendered to Gaddafi's Libya along with their families?

Good thing the Chinese government haven't tried the Dali Lama in absentia...

---------- Post added at 14:41 ---------- Previous post was at 14:35 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy View Post
And therin lies the rub: The sort of people who are likely to be terrorrists usually come from the countries that use sharier law and their terrorist ways automatically mean a death penalty under that same law or a long term of improsonment in unpleasant surroundings.

Now personally I would be quite happy to see these people sent back to their own countries to be judged by their own courts and subsequently doled out the penalties that they richly deserved even if that means that they forfiet their lives.

Now unfortunatly we're signed up to a convention that our courts have so twisted that it is a laughing stock with most people but allows the handwringers to sleep easy in their beds even while the rest of us are in fear of our lives.
That you'd be happy to send people to face what we would regard as unfair and unjust trials before execution says volumes for your concept of human rights.

If Qatada was a real ("fear of our lives") threat to the UK, don't you think he'd have been prosecuted here already?
ceedee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-01-2012, 15:43   #8
danielf
cf.mega poser
 
danielf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 16,687
danielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden aura
danielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden aura
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy View Post

Now unfortunatly we're signed up to a convention that our courts have so twisted that it is a laughing stock with most people but allows the handwringers to sleep easy in their beds even while the rest of us are in fear of our lives.
I'm no hand wringer, but I can honestly say that I'm not in fear of my life.
__________________
Remember kids: We are blessed with a listening, caring government.
danielf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-01-2012, 15:45   #9
Alan Fry
Permanently Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Radio Cairo, Hampstead, London
Services: 100 MB Broadband, XL Tv, Sky Sports and Movies HD, all other prenium channels, 3 TIVO, 2 V HD
Posts: 2,937
Alan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecart
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

Quote:
Originally Posted by ceedee View Post
You'd trust the verdicts of a legal system (based largely on Sharia) in a dodgy monarchy acknowledged by the US State Dept as a conducting systematic torture?

How about the cases of Abdel Hakim Belhadj and Sami al-Saadi who were rendered to Gaddafi's Libya along with their families?

Good thing the Chinese government haven't tried the Dali Lama in absentia...

---------- Post added at 14:41 ---------- Previous post was at 14:35 ----------


That you'd be happy to send people to face what we would regard as unfair and unjust trials before execution says volumes for your concept of human rights.

If Qatada was a real ("fear of our lives") threat to the UK, don't you think he'd have been prosecuted here already?
Jordan is not as bad as Libya, Iran or Saudi Arabia, but your right it is still not good

Anyway he is not just wanted in Jordan, but in United States, Belgium, Spain, France, Germany, Italy and Algeria
Alan Fry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-01-2012, 16:06   #10
ceedee
cf.geek
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bath
Services: 100Mb VM Broadband
Posts: 825
ceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond repute
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry View Post
Jordan is not as bad as Libya, Iran or Saudi Arabia, but your right it is still not good
"Not good" doesn't even begin to describe Jordanian 'justice'...
"The Court found that torture was widespread in Jordan, as was the use of torture evidence by the Jordanian courts.

The Court also found that, in relation to each of the two terrorist conspiracies charged against Mr Othman, the evidence of his involvement had been obtained by torturing one of his co-defendants.

"When those two co-defendants stood trial, the Jordanian courts had not taken any action in relation to their complaints of torture."

Strasbourg said that it was highly probable that the "decisive" evidence against the preacher had come from abusing these defendants.

"In the absence of any assurance by Jordan that the torture evidence would not be used against Mr Othman, the Court therefore concluded that his deportation to Jordan to be retried would give rise to a flagrant denial of justice in violation of [his right to a fair trial]".

(Source: BBC News)
Quote:
Anyway he is not just wanted in Jordan, but in United States, Belgium, Spain, France, Germany, Italy and Algeria
Makes you wonder why the UK made no attempt to extradite Qatada to a state that doesn't torture, doesn't it?
ceedee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-01-2012, 16:09   #11
Alan Fry
Permanently Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Radio Cairo, Hampstead, London
Services: 100 MB Broadband, XL Tv, Sky Sports and Movies HD, all other prenium channels, 3 TIVO, 2 V HD
Posts: 2,937
Alan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecart
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

Quote:
Originally Posted by ceedee View Post
"Not good" doesn't even begin to describe Jordanian 'justice'...
"The Court found that torture was widespread in Jordan, as was the use of torture evidence by the Jordanian courts.

The Court also found that, in relation to each of the two terrorist conspiracies charged against Mr Othman, the evidence of his involvement had been obtained by torturing one of his co-defendants.

"When those two co-defendants stood trial, the Jordanian courts had not taken any action in relation to their complaints of torture."

Strasbourg said that it was highly probable that the "decisive" evidence against the preacher had come from abusing these defendants.

"In the absence of any assurance by Jordan that the torture evidence would not be used against Mr Othman, the Court therefore concluded that his deportation to Jordan to be retried would give rise to a flagrant denial of justice in violation of [his right to a fair trial]".

(Source: BBC News)

Makes you wonder why the UK made no attempt to extradite Qatada to a state that doesn't torture, doesn't it?
But he come is not a human rights, democracy activist or a refugee, so he has no reason not to be deported!
Alan Fry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-01-2012, 16:12   #12
danielf
cf.mega poser
 
danielf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 16,687
danielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden aura
danielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden auradanielf has a golden aura
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

Quote:
Originally Posted by ceedee View Post
<snip>

Makes you wonder why the UK made no attempt to extradite Qatada to a state that doesn't torture, doesn't it?
Has there been an extradition request from any of those countries?
__________________
Remember kids: We are blessed with a listening, caring government.
danielf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-01-2012, 16:34   #13
ceedee
cf.geek
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Bath
Services: 100Mb VM Broadband
Posts: 825
ceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond reputeceedee has a reputation beyond repute
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy View Post
But you see these terrorists WANT this kind of laws and courts to be all over the world. Why shouldn't they be judged by the system they so want to see pre-eminment? I call it poetic justice and have no problem with the death of a convicted terrorist.
Because the 'race to the bottom' would denigrate the concept of justice worldwide. (See also 'Lowest common denominator'.)

Quote:
He won't get prosecuted here because of the HRA handwringers and even if we did he'd get off with a slap on the wrist and a nice big benefits package.
If he 'got off' charges in the UK (presumably because he'd been found not guilty), why would he receive a "slap on the wrist"?

---------- Post added at 15:31 ---------- Previous post was at 15:20 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry View Post
But he come is not a human rights, democracy activist or a refugee, so he has no reason not to be deported!
Sorry, could you rephrase that?

---------- Post added at 15:34 ---------- Previous post was at 15:31 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf View Post
Has there been an extradition request from any of those countries?
None that I'm aware of.
ceedee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-01-2012, 16:37   #14
TheDaddy
cf.mega pornstar
 
TheDaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 18,782
TheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden aura
TheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden auraTheDaddy has a golden aura
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

Quote:
Originally Posted by ceedee View Post
"Not good" doesn't even begin to describe Jordanian 'justice'
and yet they accepted our deal with them regarding his treatment was sound, deport him anyway imo.

The Strasbourg judges accepted that the UK's deal with Jordan over treatment of deported suspects was sound
__________________
Sports Babble
TheDaddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-01-2012, 16:43   #15
Alan Fry
Permanently Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Radio Cairo, Hampstead, London
Services: 100 MB Broadband, XL Tv, Sky Sports and Movies HD, all other prenium channels, 3 TIVO, 2 V HD
Posts: 2,937
Alan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecartAlan Fry has upset the applecart
re: [Updated]Abu Qatada's deportation appeal REJECTED

But he is not a human rights, democracy activist or a refugee, so he has no reason not to be deported!
Alan Fry is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:45.


Server: osmium.zmnt.uk
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.