[Updated] New petrol & diesel car sales banned from 2030

40 miles seems a short distance on one charge, then again, if they only take 10 mins to recharge, they cannot be very powerful batteries.

I love the first comment ;

The good part is, when the batteries die a couple of miles short - there are plenty of people on board to help push!

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Paul M

40 miles seems a short distance on one charge, then again, if they only take 10 mins to recharge, they cannot be very powerful batteries.

Depends if the distance and recharge times are suitable for the use of a bus on a route more than whether they are the latest technology.

Most bus routes I've been are shorter than 40 miles in one direction, and buses can then quite easily wait for 10 minutes at the end of each route for setting off again.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul M

40 miles seems a short distance on one charge, then again, if they only take 10 mins to recharge, they cannot be very powerful batteries.

I love the first comment ;

Ha ha I read that too. But in London five miles is a long way so maybe this is suited to some urban areas.

[BenMcr]

Well it looks like the car makers will be ahead of this date anyway:

https://www.theguardian.com/business...brid-cars-2020

Jaguar Land Rover has become the latest large carmaker to say it will stop building cars solely powered by internal combustion engines, two months after Volvo pledged to do so.

The UK-based manufacturer promised that all new models from 2020 will be fully electric or hybrid, a year later than Volvo’s target, but a big step beyond its unveiling last November of a single electric concept car.

They will all make an announcement like this at some point over the next couple of years. The writing is on the wall for the internal combustion engine and they know if they want to keep making cars they have to change. They're also looking enviously at Tesla which is probably about a decade ahead of everyone else in terms of R&D and worrying about their market share. The Tesla Model 3 should be giving the likes of Ford many sleepless nights.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Chris

They will all make an announcement like this at some point over the next couple of years. The writing is on the wall for the internal combustion engine and they know if they want to keep making cars they have to change. They're also looking enviously at Tesla which is probably about a decade ahead of everyone else in terms of R&D and worrying about their market share. The Tesla Model 3 should be giving the likes of Ford many sleepless nights.

It'll be interesting to see what happens to the second hand car market when people have to make the choice between the range, power and convenience of a fossil fuelled vehicle vs the limits of the available new cars.

[BenMcr]

I suppose the availability of full petrol / diesel cars then depends on whether the scrappage schemes become permanent or not.

[tweetiepooh]

We only ever buy 2nd hand and then keep the car 'til it doesn't work or gets too expensive to repair.

So not only do electrics need to be as convenient as fossil fuels but the availability and price of 2nd hand need to be reasonable too.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

We only ever buy 2nd hand and then keep the car 'til it doesn't work or gets too expensive to repair.

Economical motoring as cars are so reliable these days. I can remember when a car that had 100K on the clock was a complete wreck mechanically. These days it's barely run in.

So not only do electrics need to be as convenient as fossil fuels but the availability and price of 2nd hand need to be reasonable too.

I can see trying to sell a 5 year old electric almost impossible without a new battery. You can't tell if it's about to die. Unlike a petrol/diesel engine if it smokes, overheats or knocks you know it's shagged.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Economical motoring as cars are so reliable these days. I can remember when a car that had 100K on the clock was a complete wreck mechanically. These days it's barely run in.



I can see trying to sell a 5 year old electric almost impossible without a new battery. You can't tell if it's about to die. Unlike a petrol/diesel engine if it smokes, overheats or knocks you know it's shagged.

and second hand engines are cheap

[Ignitionnet]

Next will be a hybrid for us for sure but the progression of internal combustion engines has been astonishing.

We drive a 0.9. Not all that long ago that would have been laughable but it's a pretty nippy little number thanks top technology.

Probably buy a Toyota lunchbox next.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Next will be a hybrid for us for sure but the progression of internal combustion engines has been astonishing.

We drive a 0.9. Not all that long ago that would have been laughable but it's a pretty nippy little number thanks top technology.

Probably buy a Toyota lunchbox next.

Peugeot are bringing out a hybrid version of their new 3008 suv in 2019, as you mentioned it's a big car with only a 1.2 engine but still very nippy, if they could sort out their slightly flakey software it will be very tempting (if the public sector cap ever gets lifted ).

[ianch99]

We have a 2003 183K Passat which is getting troublesome so we want to replace it but what with? We want a Superb and we would like a manual EU6 1.4 ACT Petrol but these are really, really rare (1 in the country at the moment)

So do we get an older EU5 diesel and replace it in 3 or 4 years when diesel taxes become punitive and the petrol/electric strategy is clearer or bite the bullet and buy new (around 22K) to keep for 10+ years.

We don't have a guaranteed parking space so plug-in hybrids are off the menu

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by ianch99

We have a 2003 183K Passat which is getting troublesome so we want to replace it but what with? We want a Superb and we would like a manual EU6 1.4 ACT Petrol but these are really, really rare (1 in the country at the moment)

So do we get an older EU5 diesel and replace it in 3 or 4 years when diesel taxes become punitive and the petrol/electric strategy is clearer or bite the bullet and buy new (around 22K) to keep for 10+ years.

We don't have a guaranteed parking space so plug-in hybrids are off the menu

Whatr about battery life/cost.

That's why I will resist at all costs.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Whatr about battery life/cost.

That's why I will resist at all costs.

Our glorious selfless leaders, who'll be immune from any inconvenience suffered by the rest of us, don't want us to worry about that until we've got no choice then the costs and taxes will creep in and up...