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Old 07-03-2012, 12:26   #46
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Re: Pensions - no wonder there are strikes

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Again ......WHAT DIVIDENDS?
Would sir like one of these* for the weekend?

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You do realise you're trying to argue with Ed Miliband don't you.....
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:35   #47
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Re: Pensions - no wonder there are strikes

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Sorry, that doesn't wash.

A) your link lead to a series of links, rather than something that specifically backed up your assertions
B) you appear to take the word of a FBU campaign document rather than a number of Pension Fund websites (as well as a Unite union website) - either the FBU are being misleading, or pension funds for around six million people are; which do you think is more likely?
You can think what you want Hugh. Like I said the FACTS are there, and you can believe them or not.

The FBU don't want industrial action, it would be a last resort. They want a negotiated settlement based on FACTS. So it would be rather stupid of them to enter negotiations with fantasy figures.

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I don't need to i am one
And me

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Accept less profits and dividends
You are assuming that all companies make big profits.

Open your eyes, the country is in a mess, and companies are struggling

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They should get the extra money from the dividends
Would that be from the magic dividend cloud?

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Sorry, your statement appears contradictory.

It appears to be stating "everyone will retire at 68, except firemen, who will retire at 60" - am I misunderstanding something?
Yes you are

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To make money, businesses small and large will have to accept less profits in the future
Alan, in a previous thread you were trying to tell us that you were high management for a huge company...you have just blown that idea right out of the water.
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Re: Pensions - no wonder there are strikes

Don't forget, any nasty evil companies who refused to hand over all their dividends would be immediately "subject to Iran like sanctions blah blah blah....."
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:43   #49
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Re: Pensions - no wonder there are strikes

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Don't forget, any nasty evil companies who refused to hand over all their dividends would be immediately "subject to Iran like sanctions blah blah blah....."
Let's face it ,in Alans world who would bother to set up a company
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What if the company is at break even or making a loss?
Then there is somthing wrong with the company

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You can think what you want Hugh. Like I said the FACTS are there, and you can believe them or not.

The FBU don't want industrial action, it would be a last resort. They want a negotiated settlement based on FACTS. So it would be rather stupid of them to enter negotiations with fantasy figures.

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And me

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You are assuming that all companies make big profits.

Open your eyes, the country is in a mess, and companies are struggling

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Would that be from the magic dividend cloud?

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Yes you are

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Alan, in a previous thread you were trying to tell us that you were high management for a huge company...you have just blown that idea right out of the water.
The country is in a mess due to the rich we need to make final salary pensions the law
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:53   #51
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Let's face it ,in Alans world who would bother to set up a company
Unless it is a super airport
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Let's face it ,in Alans world who would bother to set up a company
In a world government, companies will either be state owned or co-operatives

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Don't forget, any nasty evil companies who refused to hand over all their dividends would be immediately "subject to Iran like sanctions blah blah blah....."
The worlds a globalised place, you need to think global
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Then there is somthing wrong with the company
There is something wrong with many companies....it's called lack of profit due to the recession...or isn't there a recession in your fantasy world?


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The country is in a mess due to the rich we need to make final salary pensions the law
You really know how to bankrupt a country don't you Alan
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You really don't have a clue.
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blah blah blah....
.... you need to think ...
Whereas you just need to think full stop!

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You really don't have a clue.
It's like arguing with a child isn't it.....
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In a world government, companies will either be state owned or co-operatives

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The worlds a globalised place, you need to think global
And in Alan's fantasy world, he will be a communist dictator
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There is something wrong with many companies....it's called lack of profit due to the recession...or isn't there a recession in your fantasy world?




You really know how to bankrupt a country don't you Alan
I know there is a recession, the worst since the 1930s and was cuased by the rich themselfs (and the high risks they took and the economic system that benfits them)

My plan can be done with tax rises and a crackdown on tax evasion and avoidance

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The only people who don't have a clue are people who defend and promote a failed economic, social and poltical system
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Re: Pensions - no wonder there are strikes

Apparently I just don't get it.

Well I'd be severely worried about my sanity if any of his 'arguments' made sense to me...

Anyway his reluctance to redistribute some of his wealth to the poor are duly noted and should be borne in mind each time we're subjected to one of his sermons....
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Re: Pensions - no wonder there are strikes

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You can think what you want Hugh. Like I said the FACTS are there, and you can believe them or not.

The FBU don't want industrial action, it would be a last resort. They want a negotiated settlement based on FACTS. So it would be rather stupid of them to enter negotiations with fantasy figures.

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And me

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You are assuming that all companies make big profits.

Open your eyes, the country is in a mess, and companies are struggling

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Would that be from the magic dividend cloud?

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Yes you are

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Alan, in a previous thread you were trying to tell us that you were high management for a huge company...you have just blown that idea right out of the water.
So are all the pension companies (Teachers, NHS, Local Government) and Unite (and Unison, who say the same thing on their website) lying? Because their facts appear to contradict the FBU facts.

So I am misunderstanding the 60/68 statement - can you help clarify it, please - will firemen retire at 60, or not?
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I know there is a recession, the worst since the 1930s and was cuased by the rich themselfs (and the high risks they took and the economic system that benfits them)

My plan can be done with tax rises and a crackdown on tax evasion and avoidance

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The only people who don't have a clue are people who defend and promote a failed economic, social and poltical system
No Alan, your plan is in cloud cukoo land, along with your airport.
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