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Old 07-12-2017, 21:02   #1111
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Re: Brexit discussion

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I wonder if Tony Blair did a risk assessment becore going to war with Iraq? Or Gordon Brown when he gave more independence to the banks

Of course not! The dangers would have been apparent to everyone in any case.
I think people give too much of a pass to the Government on Brexit matters because they confuse criticising how the Government is managing Brexit with criticising the decision itself personally. It's crazy to me the lack of preparation being undertaken for something that is just over a year away.
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Old 07-12-2017, 21:09   #1112
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I think people give too much of a pass to the Government on Brexit matters because they confuse criticising how the Government is managing Brexit with criticising the decision itself personally. It's crazy to me the lack of preparation being undertaken for something that is just over a year away.
Absolutely criminally inept when you think its one of the most important events happening in this country for at least 70 years.
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Old 07-12-2017, 21:37   #1113
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I fed of of the idiots saying it can be stopped or even trying to stop it.

The worst are those traitors have made a Union Flag with the EU stars on it
They only accept the sort of democracy which suits them you see...
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They only accept the sort of democracy which suits them you see...
I haven’t heard them calling anyone who disagrees with them as traitors...
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:13   #1115
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Re: Brexit discussion

So now it’s truly the EU’s intention to create a Federal Europe, AKA, U.S.E : Martin Schulz Tweeted this intention to be carried out by 2025, any member state refusing this will automatically leave the EU. Guy Verhofstadt, Tweeted in agreement.

What a bunch of corrupted pricks. Thank goodness we are leaving.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...s-europe-2025/
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Old 08-12-2017, 07:54   #1116
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Re: Brexit discussion

Deal agreed.

No border between North and South, East or West. So are we in the customs union? No detail yet but Junker seems happy so looks like stage 2 is here.
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Old 08-12-2017, 07:59   #1117
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Deal agreed.

No border between North and South, East or West. So are we in the customs union? No detail yet but Junker seems happy so looks like stage 2 is here.
Some information here Damien.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...int_report.pdf

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Old 08-12-2017, 08:21   #1118
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The UK will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.
So we’re in the Customs Union for anything that trades with Ireland?

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The ECJ gets 8 years after leaving in which it still has oversight of EU citizens rights. More than what the government wanted but less than the 10 years we thought the EU would get.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:23   #1119
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So we’re in the Customs Union for anything that trades with Ireland?

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The ECJ gets 8 years after leaving in which it still has oversight of EU citizens rights. More than what the government wanted but less than the 10 years we thought the EU would get.
Here is the relevant section of the agreement:

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The United Kingdom remains committed to protecting North-South cooperation and to its guarantee of avoiding a hard border. Any future arrangements must be compatible with these overarching requirements. The United Kingdom's intention is to achieve these objectives through the overall EU-UK relationship. Should this not be possible, the United Kingdom will propose specific solutions to address the unique circumstances of the island of Ireland. In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the allisland economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:25   #1120
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Re: Brexit discussion

Seems a bit of a fudge but ultimately the government will not do anything that requires customs checks?
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:28   #1121
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Re: Brexit discussion

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So we’re in the Customs Union for anything that trades with Ireland?

---------- Post added at 07:21 ---------- Previous post was at 07:10 ----------

The ECJ gets 8 years after leaving in which it still has oversight of EU citizens rights. More than what the government wanted but less than the 10 years we thought the EU would get.
Pretty much a soft Brexit for the whole of the UK. Mirroring EU standards and regulations into perpetuity but not shaping those standards as we do now. So this is what taking back control looks like, lol.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:31   #1122
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Re: Brexit discussion

It’s only agreed once the whole deal is. Although it now looks like either no deal or a more involved deal than just a trade one.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:34   #1123
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So now it’s truly the EU’s intention to create a Federal Europe, AKA, U.S.E : Martin Schulz Tweeted this intention to be carried out by 2025, any member state refusing this will automatically leave the EU. Guy Verhofstadt, Tweeted in agreement.

What a bunch of corrupted pricks. Thank goodness we are leaving.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...s-europe-2025/
It’s a German politician’s view, swiftly dismissed by Merkel.
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But Mrs Merkel lost no time in rejecting Mr Schulz’s proposals for a federal Europe, ruling them out before delegates had even finished voting.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:57   #1124
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Re: Brexit discussion

Actually the deal text says if we don’t agree a deal we’ll maintain regulation with the EU? Overall pretty happy with the agreement.
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It’s only agreed once the whole deal is. Although it now looks like either no deal or a more involved deal than just a trade one.
There is a awful long way to go yet as this is 'Just the end of the beginning'
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