Post-Brexit Thread - Page 212

papa smurf · 12-12-2016, 15:26

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Originally Posted by martyh

We don't vote for a prime minister though

no we vote for the party the party picks a leader .

1andrew1 · 12-12-2016, 15:33

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Originally Posted by Stuart

TBH, I was never happy with the way the government appeared to be trying to keep Parliament out of the process when one of the big selling points of the leave campaign was returning control from some unelected "elite" to our Parliament. Bear in mind that Theresa May, while elected, was not the leader of the party during the last election, so it's doubtful most of the people who voted for her were thinking about her being Prime Minister when they voted, so she cannot claim she was voted in as Prime Minister any more than any leader of the EU can claim to have been voted in.

Interesting statistic I heard the other day - half of the Prime Ministers we have had in the UK weren't leaders of their parties when people voted in the relevant election. (I think half is by number of Prime Ministers and not by the length of time they were in power.)

pip08456 · 12-12-2016, 15:33

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Originally Posted by Stuart

TBH, I was never happy with the way the government appeared to be trying to keep Parliament out of the process when one of the big selling points of the leave campaign was returning control from some unelected "elite" to our Parliament. Bear in mind that Theresa May, while elected, was not the leader of the party during the last election, so it's doubtful most of the people who voted for her were thinking about her being Prime Minister when they voted, so she cannot claim she was voted in as Prime Minister any more than any leader of the EU can claim to have been voted in.

Perhaps the Government is carrying on the wish of Cameron who stated if the result was to leave he would invoke A50 straight away. I didn't hear anyone in Parliament or anywhere else raising an objection. That would've been the correct time to do so.

Once the vote was to leave what did Cameron do? He ran away! At least Teresa May is attempting to carry out the promise made to the people made by her lilly livered predecessor.

12-12-2016, 15:43

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Perhaps the Government is carrying on the wish of Cameron who stated if the result was to leave he would invoke A50 straight away. I didn't hear anyone in Parliament or anywhere else raising an objection. That would've been the correct time to do so.

Once the vote was to leave what did Cameron do? He ran away! At least Teresa May is attempting to carry out the promise made to the people made by her lilly livered predecessor.

He just got a big sulk on and ran off with his ball .I don't want someone with that attitude running the country anyway

Osem · 12-12-2016, 18:41

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Originally Posted by martyh

He just got a big sulk on and ran off with his ball .I don't want someone with that attitude running the country anyway

Odd that GaryL disappeared around the same time eh? Maybe he was DC's alter ego...

heero_yuy · 12-12-2016, 18:49

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Originally Posted by Osem

Odd that GaryL disappeared around the same time eh? Maybe he was DC's alter ego...

I was going to mention that I've been left holding his set of crayons and colouring book.

TheDaddy · 12-12-2016, 19:14

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I was going to mention that I've been left holding his set of crayons and colouring book.

There any crayons in that box, I heard he ate them all

Taf · 12-12-2016, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Damien

Good good. It isn't that outlandish a demand. Let people know what we're trying to do.

I'd like to play poker with you, I'd get rich quick as you would show your hand so easily.

**Damien** · 12-12-2016, 19:47

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Originally Posted by Taf

I'd like to play poker with you, I'd get rich quick as you would show your hand so easily.

It's not actually a card game. Asking for more details about what the government is seeking to achieve on one of the biggest deals we're going to see for this country is justified. It doesn't fill people who are worried with confidence when every single aspect of the coming years is watered down to the simplest possible terms.

Ramrod · 12-12-2016, 19:53

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Laid out here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-7-4-decision/

Oh bloody marvellous!

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Originally Posted by Damien

It's not actually a card game. Asking for more details about what the government is seeking to achieve on one of the biggest deals we're going to see for this country is justified.

No it isn't. For the simple reason that the EU will be able to see that information as well.

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On reflection let's stay in the EU where, after decades of banging our heads against a wall, we can see quite clearly the financial and social chaos which lies around the corner yet won't be able to do anything about it. Now that's a really good idea eh?...

I was just going to suggest that.......but then I found a brain cell to use

**Damien** · 12-12-2016, 19:55

That Telegraph article is a bit dubious. Seems entirely made up for clicks:

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A narrow loss for the appeal will make it harder for Remain-supporting MPs and peers to frustrate the progress of a new law to trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty and start talks to leave the EU by the end of March.

If 7-4, 63% of the sitting court, makes it hard for Remain to push their case forward then should that logic apply to the referendum where only 52% went for Leave?

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No it isn't. For the simple reason that the EU will be able to see that information as well.

The EU will know it anyway. Besides it's clear that they'll be briefing out what is happening so we'll just get it from them.

12-12-2016, 20:03

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Originally Posted by Taf

I'd like to play poker with you, I'd get rich quick as you would show your hand so easily.

we've got to tell the EU what we want from them post Brexit anyway or it will be a very odd sort of negotiation

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Originally Posted by Osem

Odd that GaryL disappeared around the same time eh? Maybe he was DC's alter ego...

You never did see them in the same room

Osem · 12-12-2016, 20:07

What we need to do is to set out broadly what our aims are without detailing exactly what concessions we're prepared to make before the negotiating starts. IMHO that'd include not guaranteeing the future of EU migrants here until the EU has agreed to do likewise.

Taf · 12-12-2016, 20:12

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Originally Posted by martyh

we've got to tell the EU what we want from them post Brexit anyway or it will be a very odd sort of negotiation

Telling them well in advance of negotiations would allow them to set up stern resistance to our stance, or have time to manoeuvre the lawyers into position. After all, it will be a lawyer' fest, the trough will runneth over.

1andrew1 · 12-12-2016, 20:19

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Originally Posted by Taf

Telling them well in advance of negotiations would allow them to set up stern resistance to our stance, or have time to manoeuvre the lawyers into position. After all, it will be a lawyer' fest, the trough will runneth over.

I'm sure all the lawyers are in position. Surely the sooner we tell the EU our position the sooner we can leave?

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Originally Posted by Osem

What we need to do is to set out broadly what our aims are without detailing exactly what concessions we're prepared to make before the negotiating starts.

Agreed. This should also help speed matters along which I'm sure will find favours with those who want to leave quickly.