Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'

[papa smurf]

Quote:
Minister for Employment Chris Grayling said: "Our work experience scheme is voluntary and thanks to companies like Tesco and many others has provided a route for literally thousands of young people to find their first job.

"The idea that providing work experience for unemployed young people is some kind of forced labour is utterly and completely absurd."


minister in denial -it must be true

[Digital Fanatic]

I applaud the protestors

"The Tory government is slashing jobs and then punishing the jobless. And to add insult to injury, they are forcing people to work for free to boost profits for big business."

[Gary L]

They are having us believe that it's voluntary. then you have this bit about losing your benefits if you drop out after the first week.

so what happened to this tough stance of making people work for free or having their benefits stopped?

it all depends who's asking, and who they're telling the different story to.

if you are against people on the dole then 'they' will tell you that it's compulsory for these people to work for free.
if you sympathise with the people on the dole then 'they' will tell you this crap about it's all voluntary.

if you are on the dole then 'they' will tell you they are sending you to work at Tescos for free, and that it's compulsory. you have no choice. if you don't attend or drop out at anytime, and/or/if we hear that you are being deliberately uncooperative at the company then your money will be stopped.

Let's see whether Tesco's assess the damage limitation and also pull out of this scam of exploiting the unemployed in order to boost profits.

[Digital Fanatic]

Even the far right wing Daily Mail thinks it's wrong:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...y-stopped.html

This is not wartime Nazi Germany and Cameron's attacks on the vulnerable and needy must be stopped

There we were thinking it impossible that David Cameron's Tory party could become even more dastardly, even more duplicitous, in their devastating aims against those in vulnerable groups - sick, disabled, single parent families and the elderly - but they have.

This Coalition have long since crossed the line of decency. Their attacks on those who need our help the most are vile, and transparently so, and must be stopped. Else we all live to regret it.

Matalan have withdrawn from the scheme as well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17086526

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Matalan have withdrawn from the scheme as well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17086526

Oh well ,if the private firms drop out then maybe the unemployed can help out at the job centers

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by mertle

hardly suprising to be honest shoppers and unions put huge pressure on these companies.

See tesco's latest to put now adverts around very stupid in my mind you would think they would keep it under the carpet to speak not advertise the fact they use slave labour.

Those on this forum support wonder how many will be willing on monday to have there wages removed work for JSA equivalent plus expenses. Fat zero.

AFAIK, they have to advertise to use the scheme.

as for Tescos feeling the pressure, over the last few years Tescos have repeatedly made record profits. I don't really think they are feeling the pressure.

Unlike the companies they have bankrupted by moving into markets such as CDs, books, electronics etc.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

Oh well ,if the private firms drop out then maybe the unemployed can help out at the job centers

Yeh, they can be in charge of the sanction and bonus's department.

[Gary L]

Another job where they can take advantage of the unemployed and not have to pay a working wage instead.

if this is allowed to continue, then there will be no need to employ anyone. and if it escalates they can make redundancies.

Broken Britain. with a lot of help from Dave.

Superdrug.
Job No: EAN/29944
SOC Code: 7111
Wage JSA + TRAVEL EXPENSES
Hours 25 HOURS PER WEEK TBA
Location FISHPONDS ROAD BS16
Duration Permanent
Date posted 17 February 2012
Pension details No details held
http://jobcentreplus.jobhits.co.uk/R...T-id-EAN-29944

[papa smurf]

until today i had no idea this was going on .

[Gary L]

It was all supposed to be between the government and the claimants. nobody else were meant to know what is going on.
not forgetting the participating companies who want to save wage money.

Councils are and will be using them. Royal Mail too.

even if you think it's a good thing that they are being made to work. it can't be a good thing if it means it may be your job they'll be replacing soon.

[papa smurf]

where i work [a certain cable company] we are up to our armpits in apprentices -these are real jobs for young people with good training and a descent wage attached.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Another job where they can take advantage of the unemployed and not have to pay a working wage instead.

if this is allowed to continue, then there will be no need to employ anyone. and if it escalates they can make redundancies.

Broken Britain. with a lot of help from Dave.

Superdrug.
Job No: EAN/29944
SOC Code: 7111
Wage JSA + TRAVEL EXPENSES
Hours 25 HOURS PER WEEK TBA
Location FISHPONDS ROAD BS16
Duration Permanent
Date posted 17 February 2012
Pension details No details held
http://jobcentreplus.jobhits.co.uk/R...T-id-EAN-29944

what i want to know is how can they advertise the job as permanent if the claiment is supposed to be looking for a job ?.
If the claiment stays at the company on a permanent basis as the advert suggests then surely that is a way for the claimant to stay on jsa claiming full benefits for just 25hrs work .Doesn't seem like much of an incentive to get off benefits and take a full time job most likely at a low wage

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

where i work [a certain cable company] we are up to our armpits in apprentices -these are real jobs for young people with good training and a descent wage attached.

And that's how it should be. but the way this is going to work is it will mean not having to pay workers a wage at all for doing a job that they'd have to pay someone to do.

eventually meaning that there will be no reason to employ anyone. as long as the government allows it to happen.
we'll be having companies not even on the official list advertising soon.

if you want experience as a dishwasher to put on your CV. here's one.

Job No: NCS/59011
SOC Code: 0
Wage BENEFITS + TRAVELLING EXPENSES
Hours 25-30 HURS OVER 5 DAYS BETWEEN 10AM TO 8PM
Location NEWCASTLE NE1
Duration Permanent
Date posted 17 February 2012
Pension details No details held

---------- Post added at 23:20 ---------- Previous post was at 23:14 ----------

Originally Posted by martyh

what i want to know is how can they advertise the job as permanent if the claiment is supposed to be looking for a job ?.
If the claiment stays at the company on a permanent basis as the advert suggests then surely that is a way for the claimant to stay on jsa claiming full benefits for just 25hrs work .Doesn't seem like much of an incentive to get off benefits and take a full time job most likely at a low wage

Eh?
Minimum wage is:
£6.08 - the main rate for workers aged 21 and over
= £152
£4.98 - the 18-20 rate
= £124

why would you sooner work 25hrs a week for £50 - £67 instead of the above amounts, just so you don't have to take the same job for the above amounts?

[danielf]

It seems to me that this is turning into a spectacular coalition own goal. Honestly, if employers are pulling out of 'make claimants work for free' you know you're on to a loser. (Unless, you're called Tesco of course).