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Old 07-11-2016, 09:26   #121
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

'Consultation' by the Govt. usually means we've decided what we're going to do and its not going to be popular. Give people a few months to have a rant , take any few bits out of the consultation we like and ignore the rest. Then proceed as planned saying we've fully 'consulted'.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Let's face it, consultation or not, managed support or not, level of distribution, qualification etc some people will never accept that the Government is trying to administer the system fairly both for recipients of benefits AND contributors to the funding.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

They trying to give that impression, but the most recent reforms tend to come with a cost cut target.
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Old 08-11-2016, 16:59   #124
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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Let's face it, consultation or not, managed support or not, level of distribution, qualification etc some people will never accept that the Government is trying to administer the system fairly both for recipients of benefits AND contributors to the funding.
Well they ain't doing the assessment's very well according to yet another former Work and Pensions Secretary.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37900898
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Old 08-11-2016, 18:13   #125
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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Well they ain't doing the assessment's very well according to yet another former Work and Pensions Secretary.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37900898
Every former Work and Pensions Secretary who has resigned following alleged suggestive texts sent to a young woman, is entitled to an opinion .

Like I said, you can't please all of the people all of the time. Mr Crabb had his chance to improve the things he isn't happy with but blew it.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

The alleged suggestive texts have absolutely nothing to do with this thread as they are not relevant and have nothing to do with the comments and criticisms he made about the PIP assessment's.

l agree you can't please everybody all the time but its important the government takes on board the constructive criticisms made about PIP and ESA even within their own party but one suspects as before they will just pay a generic lip service to it and carry on regardless.
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The alleged suggestive texts have absolutely nothing to do with this thread as they are not relevant and have nothing to do with the comments and criticisms he made about the PIP assessment's.
The measure of a man is not in what he says but in what he does.

Besides, if he hadn't resigned he might have delivered the system of assessment he feels claimants deserve.
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The measure of a man is not in what he says but in what he does.

Besides, if he hadn't resigned he might have delivered the system of assessment he feels claimants deserve.
He is entitled to his views even though he is not in government just like you are , l am and anybody else is and measuring a person just because he did not do anything while he was there is a bit unfair in my view.
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He is entitled to his views even though he is not in government just like you are , l am and anybody else is and measuring a person just because he did not do anything while he was there is a bit unfair in my view.
I did say he's entitled to his opinion, especially when he says exactly what you want to hear.
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I did say he's entitled to his opinion, especially when he says exactly what you want to hear.
Whether its what l want to hear or not his and other peoples constructive criticisms should be taken on board to improve the quite clearly flawed processes of PIP but one suspects they will carry on regardless and closes their ears and eyes to the constructive criticisms of the PIP system unless you think the current PIP system is fine and dandy.
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Whether its what l want to hear or not his and other peoples constructive criticisms should be taken on board to improve the quite clearly flawed processes of PIP but one suspects they will carry on regardless and closes their ears and eyes to the constructive criticisms of the PIP system unless you think the current PIP system is fine and dandy.
A system that is fair and minimally stressful for applicants would be fine and dandy.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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Well they ain't doing the assessment's very well according to yet another former Work and Pensions Secretary.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-37900898
The full programme can be seen here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b080ysnh

It also includes an assessor who resigned after having his reports that were deemed too favourable to claimants returned for him to amend .

He felt unable to continue as this was compromising his integrity as a nurse.
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A system that is fair and minimally stressful for applicants would be fine and dandy.
this goose is running out of golden eggs this thread should be renamed the bum twitching thread , oh and i agree a fair system for all.. including contributors to the pot ie if your getting benefits you better deserve them as someone else is paying .
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this goose is running out of golden eggs this thread should be renamed the bum twitching thread , oh and i agree a fair system for all.. including contributors to the pot ie if your getting benefits you better deserve them as someone else is paying .
That has a nice ring to it .
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Just had our Pip form today. At first glance it looks a lot more straightforward than the DLA forms we filled out but I'll have more comment when I've gone through them.
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