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Old 29-10-2016, 13:54   #106
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

I have been forewarned that "historical evidence" including old letters from specialists, GP's and consultants is often ignored. Our twins have had no access to specialists for their conditions since moving to the Adult Service, mainly due to a lack of manpower. So up to date reports are not going to happen. This may well go against them in the decision process.

Our son's PIP forms arrived this morning... 40 pages of hell AFAIC.
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I have been forewarned that "historical evidence" including old letters from specialists, GP's and consultants is often ignored. Our twins have had no access to specialists for their conditions since moving to the Adult Service, mainly due to a lack of manpower. So up to date reports are not going to happen. This may well go against them in the decision process.

Our son's PIP forms arrived this morning... 40 pages of hell AFAIC.
Here is some good advice Taf from a former PIP Disability Assessor and all l can say is evidence is certainly very important whether its older or newer evidence.

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_bei...h-claiming-PIP
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Excellent link den.

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I have been forewarned that "historical evidence" including old letters from specialists, GP's and consultants is often ignored. Our twins have had no access to specialists for their conditions since moving to the Adult Service, mainly due to a lack of manpower. So up to date reports are not going to happen. This may well go against them in the decision process.

Our son's PIP forms arrived this morning... 40 pages of hell AFAIC.
Good luck Taf with filling out this form, I agree it is a complete nightmare!
I hope you can get advice and help when filling it out.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Got our DLA - PIP letter a few days ago. Called several times yesterday but the system was down so in the end someone took our number and promised a 48 hour call back. I've just had that call and spoke to a very understanding lady who took down various details and answered a couple of questions of mine. I was told that we should get a form to fill out in about 2 weeks and that an assessment appointment might not be necessary depending on the information/reports they're able to gather along with anything we provide. I'm fully aware that completing the form will be an onerous task, but it has to be done and I'm not going to be panicked into any sleepless nights just yet. The lady I spoke to couldn't really have been more polite or helpful so please everyone don't go approaching this process with an attitude before it's even started. When it comes to the forms, give as much information as you reasonably can even if you don't have lots of recent medical reports to provide. Being anxious, frustrated or even rude isn't going to make matters easier and may just come across as being obstructive. It'll be interesting to see how forum members feel their claims have been dealt with and whether things were quite as bad as they'd been led to believe. Time will tell no doubt.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

l hope things go well for you Osem as yes l myself have been preparing myself for quite a while now gathering all the relevant medical letters and other information as l expect its just a matter of time before l get my letter but yes its certainly important to keep calm and focused as losing ones rag is not a good thing in my book.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

For those who will be filling out these forms just a couple of things answer all questions based on your worst days not your best and don't allow your pride prevent you fully explaining your condition and the limitations that affect you everyday. I was guilty of the second of those for many years as i had trouble dealing with what i couldn't do anymore much less detail it for a stranger but i was fortunate in my atos assessment to get a fully qualified doctor with a familiarity with my condition who saw through my pride answers.

As Osem said don't enter the process with an attitude or predetermined "I'm gonna fail" view as most of the people in the system genuinely want to help and get you the benefits your entitled too. They like us are constrained by a badly thought out and implemented system that wasn't designed to be fair but to cut as many people as possible.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

I have reciently won the level of pip back that i was on when on DLA during the mandatory reconsideration. On the medical report i asked for a copy they marked me down needing help to wash off ointments for psoriasis because on the day of my medical i was seen to wipe sweat from the back of my neck....

The whole thing including appeal to reconsideration took almost 16 weeks.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Hot on the heals of the sensible decision to stop pointlessly putting the most severely disabled through the Work Capability Assessment is some rather less welcome news.

A green paper has been published regarding the consideration of ALL sick & disabled people being required to take part in mandatory work related activity as a condition of receiving benefit:

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com...support-group/

This would include everybody in the ESA Support Group (even the terminally ill).

I urge those opposed to this to make their views known.

You can do this via a questionnaire here:

https://consultations.dh.gov.uk/workandhealth/consult/

Or let the DWP know your views here workandhealth@dwp.gsi.gov.uk

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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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For those who will be filling out these forms just a couple of things answer all questions based on your worst days not your best and don't allow your pride prevent you fully explaining your condition and the limitations that affect you everyday. I was guilty of the second of those for many years as i had trouble dealing with what i couldn't do anymore much less detail it for a stranger but i was fortunate in my atos assessment to get a fully qualified doctor with a familiarity with my condition who saw through my pride answers.

As Osem said don't enter the process with an attitude or predetermined "I'm gonna fail" view as most of the people in the system genuinely want to help and get you the benefits your entitled too. They like us are constrained by a badly thought out and implemented system that wasn't designed to be fair but to cut as many people as possible.
This is very good advice - don't be brave/stiff upper lip British - this benefit is to support your additional needs due to your/your dependants disability, which means at the worst times, not the best.
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Hot on the heals of the sensible decision to stop pointlessly putting the most severely disabled through the Work Capability Assessment is some rather less welcome news.

A green paper has been published regarding the consideration of ALL sick & disabled people being required to take part in mandatory work related activity as a condition of receiving benefit:

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com...support-group/

This would include everybody in the ESA Support Group (even the terminally ill).

I urge those opposed to this to make their views known.

You can do this via a questionnaire here:

https://consultations.dh.gov.uk/workandhealth/consult/

Or let the DWP know your views here workandhealth@dwp.gsi.gov.uk
How would that effect someone with agoraphobia?
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

If this policy is adopted as it stands, it appears that there won't be any exemptions. Utterly ridiculous.
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There will be exemptions as he has stated after a consultation has taken place.
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There will be exemptions as he has stated after a consultation has taken place.
This is why its essential that people with varying disabilities (and their carers) need to make their views known during the consultation period.
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This is why its essential that people with varying disabilities (and their carers) need to make their views known during the consultation period.
Indeed its very important that as many as possible makes their views known during the consultation period.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

I expect the mandatory side of it would be very hard to enforce, mandatory can range from just having to speak to the jobcentre on the phone up to having to do a work placement, I dont think they will get very far trying to enforce the latter.

I do think that work is good for self confidence, providing one is able to do that work with confidence and without feeling they are not capable (e.g. colleagues repeatedly having to cover their tasks due to illness getting in the way).

What I find a complete joke is the claim work is good for your health, I have done 5 years of working in a factory, and the type of work I was doing was most definitely not good for my health and is actually a big reason I have the problems I have today. Then there is stress, stress is very bad for your health, and two big causes of stress are work related issues and of course worried about financial security. Someone been threatened with sanctions is only going to go on the defensive and will be less willing with the fear they will appear more able and lose what they have.

I strongly hate government's claiming enforcement, sanctions etc. as been called support. A comparison would be claiming someone who has been sentenced to death is been "supported" its ridiculous.

There was a tribunal case about 4 years ago, the claimant had severe mental problems, fully diagnosed, consultant evidence etc. A tribunal had originally sided with the DWP stating that the claimant could do work activity with the right support and so upheld the decision to place in the work related activity group. This then went to the upper tribunal level in a second appeal and then it was decided that the tribunal got it wrong, the reasoning given was that the DWP had not explained what support they would offer and how they could guarantee enough support would be given, the DWP was asked by the commissioner what level of mental health qualifications did their advisors have in assisting mentally ill claimants, he got a reply saying "none", it was then a black and white decision and because there was no evidence actual proper support would be provided he ruled the claimant was to be put in the support group.

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