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Old 16-10-2016, 14:01   #736
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

It seems the Baroness isn't above emulating her colleague Diane Abbot in opposing divisive selective/private education for the many whilst not being similarly concerned about its adverse effects on her own child....

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It isn’t always easy to be a politician or a parent. Shami Chakrabarti has found, sometimes, it’s very difficult to be both.

“I have real concerns about grammar schools,” the new shadow attorney general said on ITV’s Peston on Sunday when asked about Labour’s opposition to selective education – before admitting she in fact sends her own son to a private school. That’s the prestigious Dulwich College at a cost of £18,000 a year.

“I live in a nice big house and eat nice food and my neighbours are homeless and go to food banks,” Chakrabarti acknowledged when Robert Peston suggested she could be called a hypocrite.
If she's so exercised by these issues she could always just send her child to the local comprehensive and give some more money to the local needy she clearly feels so bad about. It wouldn't be the end to poverty I agree but it'd clearly help assuage her guilt...
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This is what has really made me lose respect for Shami Chakrabarti.

While I didn't always respect her opinions, her work for Liberty as an independent voice against government was important, and one that kept her as a political outsider.

However, to suddenly , after having used that "outsider" status to lend legitimacy to a Labour antisemitism enquiry to:

A: Join the Labour Party

B: Get a peerage in double quick time

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C: Get a shadow cabinet post

Strikes me as the finest form of selling out, and that's before we get to the rank hypocrisy of saying that selective education is wrong, but still sending her child to a selective (and private at that!) school.
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This is what has really made me lose respect for Shami Chakrabarti.

While I didn't always respect her opinions, her work for Liberty as an independent voice against government was important, and one that kept her as a political outsider.

However, to suddenly , after having used that "outsider" status to lend legitimacy to a Labour antisemitism enquiry to:

A: Join the Labour Party

B: Get a peerage in double quick time

and

C: Get a shadow cabinet post

Strikes me as the finest form of selling out, and that's before we get to the rank hypocrisy of saying that selective education is wrong, but still sending her child to a selective (and private at that!) school.
she's made the transition from one of the people to one of them at the top
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she's made the transition from one of the people to one of them at the top
Sounds like John Prescott...

He spent his political life fighting 'privilege' until he wanted some...
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What has Labour got against Jews ? is this a historical thing ?
Certainly isn't, when Oswald moseley and his black shirted chums tried to kick the Jews and Irish out of the East end the Labour party stood up to them
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Certainly isn't, when Oswald moseley and his black shirted chums tried to kick the Jews and Irish out of the East end the Labour party stood up to them
IIRC It's around the time Israel starting becoming close to America and spurned Soviet advances. The Communist Party and her fellow travelers didn't much like that. Obviously some of those joined the Labour party.

Plus it isn't just them. The far-right also contains a lot of antisemitism. I guess the more extreme you get, the more you believe conspiracy theories as an explanation for why the world isn't how you want it. And the more you believe in conspiracy theories the more likely you are to move into antisemitic tropes about global world orders and such like.
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Thank you for that

Here's me thinking the Labour party should be for the working man and less fortunate in society
None of them are currently as in general most politicians from all parties come on TV and espouse about many things but in reality its nothing more then paying insincere lip service to the many many important issues that affect this country.
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The problem is the less fortunate and the "working man" don't vote as often as the middle classes and pensioners.
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The problem is the less fortunate and the "working man" don't vote as often as the middle classes and pensioners.
Indeed there are others as you say who are at the top of their bribing list.
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IIRC It's around the time Israel starting becoming close to America and spurned Soviet advances. The Communist Party and her fellow travelers didn't much like that. Obviously some of those joined the Labour party.

Plus it isn't just them. The far-right also contains a lot of antisemitism. I guess the more extreme you get, the more you believe conspiracy theories as an explanation for why the world isn't how you want it. And the more you believe in conspiracy theories the more likely you are to move into antisemitic tropes about global world orders and such like.
There was no such place as Israel back then, it was prior to the Jewish uprising to in the British mandate, I actually think it was the Arabs revolting there at the time
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There was no such place as Israel back then, it was prior to the Jewish uprising to in the British mandate, I actually think it was the Arabs revolting there at the time
I am talking about late 1950s
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I am talking about late 1950s

Apologies. The way you wrote it it's easy to see why there was confusion though
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I don't think this should be much of a surprise to anyone. Incoming accusations of conspiracies.

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Okay. What happens when the interests of constituents conflict with the demands from the leadership?

How exactly does it help the party to have MPs get themselves voted out by doing what an unprecedentedly unpopular leader tells them?

Looking at the Labour Party's polling and comparing it to Jeremy Corbyn's personal polling, a distant 3rd for Prime Minister behind 'don't know', I'm not convinced that anything could cause more damage than Corbyn.

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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...jews-5p9h033lr (£)
No idea what will happen come election time, but right now I consider labour's biggest problem is the in fighting, it needs to stop.

This started by the MP's originally nominating corbyn as a stunt to say oh look we democratic and we proving it, but of course expecting him to not win, when democracy actually played its part and he won they now trying to back peddle.

What are they trying to achieve? a party split?

What has happened is that labour has been drifting away from its core values towards the middle politically, with the aim of winning elections this way, but now the core voters have decided they have had enough of that with this the result. I can understand this, as a proper labour party e.g. would never have backed the welfare policies that they did during the coalition. Plus when in power they introduced ESA again something old labour wouldnt have done. They never reintroduced mass council house building project's and they also never blocked thatcher's right to buy, all of which conflict with core labour values.

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LABOUR has suffered one final humiliation from the 2015 General Election defeat after it was fined £20,000 for failing to declare spending on the ‘EdStone’.

It was the largest ever imposed by the Electoral Commission after it found the party was missing the right receipts for £123,748 of campaign spending.
Labour's disastrous 'EdStone' has caused the party one final humiliation

The eight-foot stone plinth was known as Ed Miliband’s electoral tombstone when it was unveiled to widespread mockery last year.

The tablet, inscribed with meaningless pledges by the Labour leader, was supposed to be placed in the Downing Street rose garden if he had won the election.

But after a calamitous defeat to David Cameron’s Tories it was hidden in a warehouse and allegedly smashed to bits, after journalists tried to track it down.
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That's really rubbing their noses in it.
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