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Old 06-01-2016, 14:40   #1
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Corbyn's kerfuffle

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Three Labour MPs have quit the party's front bench in protest at sackings made by Jeremy Corbyn in his reshuffle.

Jonathan Reynolds and Stephen Doughty quit over the sacking of the shadow Europe minister Pat McFadden.

Mr Corbyn fired Mr McFadden over "disloyalty" after he appeared to criticise his stance on terrorism.

Kevan Jones has quit his defence role over Trident after Mr Corbyn replaced pro-nuclear weapons MP Maria Eagle with unilateralist Emily Thornberry.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35239232

Well so little has been a long time coming and rumours about large scale revolts abound but I see unilateralist 'white van woman' has been promoted to Shadow Defence Secretary. I guess this must be his 'new politics' in action but to anyone who grew up in the 1970's it's all very samey...
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

They apparently had a phonecall from Sir John Chilcot asking them to hurry up and announce the reshuffle.....
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

So much for a night of the long knives. More like a failed attempt with a fruit peeler.
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I've never heard of any of these shadow ministers that have resigned.They seem to have forgot what a massive mandate Corbyn has, and don't accept democracy. Hopefully they'll be deselected as they're representing nobody except themselves.
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I've never heard of any of these shadow ministers that have resigned.They seem to have forgot what a massive mandate Corbyn has, and don't accept democracy. Hopefully they'll be deselected as they're representing nobody except themselves.
They represent their constituents, first and foremost, which is a far broader sample of the British electorate than that which voted Corbyn into leadership.

And given that one of Ed's many dubious actions as leader of the Labour Party was to open the leadership election to any idiot with 3 to spare, I don't think anyone who follows politics in any way at all, is taken in by all that "massive mandate" guff.

Corbyn was elected by soap dodging Trots and gleeful Tory infiltrators, all of whom taken together account for a minuscule proportion of the electorate he will ask to support him in 2020.

If he is still in charge at the next election, it will be a bloodbath.
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You can't reason with them either. Everything is a media conspiracy against them. It's like talking to the SNP supporters again.
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I've never heard of any of these shadow ministers that have resigned.They seem to have forgot what a massive mandate Corbyn has, and don't accept democracy. Hopefully they'll be deselected as they're representing nobody except themselves.
JC got 251,000 votes in the leadership election, Labour got 9,347,000 votes in the 2015 General Election - less than 1 in 37 of those who voted Labour (if you don't count the Tory spoilers or the arrivistes from far-left organisations) voted for JC as Labour leader.

"Massive mandate" = <3% of Labour voters...
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

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JC got 251,000 votes in the leadership election, Labour got 9,347,000 votes in the 2015 General Election - less than 1 in 37 of those who voted Labour (if you don't count the Tory spoilers or the arrivistes from far-left organisations) voted for JC as Labour leader.

"Massive mandate" = <3% of Labour voters...
Nice spin Hugh old chap ! And what percentage did his opponents get ?

Could mention that the Tories got less than 1 in 4 of the electorate's vote at the General Election, but won't do that or we'll spinning stats all night
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They apparently had a phonecall from Sir John Chilcot asking them to hurry up and announce the reshuffle.....
Yes well he's certainly set the benchmark hasn't he...
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Nice spin Hugh old chap ! And what percentage did his opponents get ?
Even less, but so what? The point is that those MPs who still oppose him, despite his supposedly "massive mandate", are the ones that understand he will have to garner the support of the electorate at large, and not just the assorted yoghurt knitters, tofu chompers and soap dodgers who stumped up their 3 to vote for him last year.

A credible party leader has got to look like a potential prime minister. It makes no difference how dazzled are those of a certain political outlook, if he is not similarly impressive in the eyes of those from Labour's wider pool of potential support, then they are sunk.

The MPs who resigned today are the only ones, it seems, who are prepared to stand up and declare what everyone outside of the Labour Left already knows to be true.
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Nice spin Hugh old chap ! And what percentage did his opponents get ?

Could mention that the Tories got less than 1 in 4 of the electorate's vote at the General Election, but won't do that or we'll spinning stats all night

An Labour got even less than the Torries , so when you put it like that Corbyns mandate is extremely weak in terms of the conutry as a whole. Weaker than the Torries mandate.
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Even less, but so what? The point is that those MPs who still oppose him, despite his supposedly "massive mandate", are the ones that understand he will have to garner the support of the electorate at large, and not just the assorted yoghurt knitters, tofu chompers and soap dodgers who stumped up their 3 to vote for him last year.

A credible party leader has got to look like a potential prime minister. It makes no difference how dazzled are those of a certain political outlook, if he is not similarly impressive in the eyes of those from Labour's wider pool of potential support, then they are sunk.

The MPs who resigned today are the only ones, it seems, who are prepared to stand up and declare what everyone outside of the Labour Left already knows to be true.
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An Labour got even less than the Torries , so when you put it like that Corbyns mandate is extremely weak in terms of the conutry as a whole. Weaker than the Torries mandate.
Corbyn himself doesn't have a mandate from the last election. He wasn't leader then.
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Nice spin Hugh old chap ! And what percentage did his opponents get ?

Could mention that the Tories got less than 1 in 4 of the electorate's vote at the General Election, but won't do that or we'll spinning stats all night
36.9% of the electorate isn't 1 in 4*, and is still much, much more than <3%.....

*That would be 25%
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I kinda did a WTf when a 1 in 37 was compared to a 1 in 4, that really is a bit desperate.
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