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Old 22-09-2017, 13:36   #166
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Re: North Korea

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North Korea: Trump and Kim call each other mad
They're both right.

Surprised they don't get on more, they've got a lot in common, dodgy hair for a start...
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Re: North Korea

"Show of force" is how the media have reported US bombers and strike aircraft flying close to North Korean airspace earlier today.

A show of force only because it's details have been revealed to the media. The significance is that this is the first time that US strike aircraft have operated this far north of the DMZ in the Sea of Japan. This is in actual fact a legitimate strike drill with a specific purpose and an escalation of the crisis to the next level.

A military objective in that it's an operational run for the strike package

A military objective to poke the hornet's nest and light up fixed air defence radars for marking as targets in a future SEAD mission

And to get rocket man to show his hand by wheeling his mobile air defence capabilities out of their underground bunkers (because after day 1 that's all he'll have left)
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"Show of force" is how the media have reported US bombers and strike aircraft flying close to North Korean airspace earlier today.

A show of force only because it's details have been revealed to the media. The significance is that this is the first time that US strike aircraft have operated this far north of the DMZ in the Sea of Japan. This is in actual fact a legitimate strike drill with a specific purpose and an escalation of the crisis to the next level.

A military objective in that it's an operational run for the strike package

A military objective to poke the hornet's nest and light up fixed air defence radars for marking as targets in a future SEAD mission

And to get rocket man to show his hand by wheeling his mobile air defence capabilities out of their underground bunkers (because after day 1 that's all he'll have left)
If things do escalate I do think NK will face a sudden unprecedented level of force aimed at destroying as much of their weapons capability as possible as quickly as possible. Maybe there'll be a message to Putin in that response too.
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Re: North Korea

I've just gotten round to reading the Saturday edition of i - what's this about the world's biggest prat talking about testing a hydrogen bomb over the Pacific?! Does the Moscow Treaty ring any bells?

In the extremely unlikely event that a) anyone from North Korea is reading this, and b) that you are in any position to do something about this madman, I, a perfectly ordinary citizen of the United Kingdom and not a politician or leader or anyone in a position of power or authority, urge you in the strongest possible terms to do it - NOW!!!

There is absolutely no way the US - or anyone else - can possibly ignore a violation of said treaty, and surely no possible way in which they can react other than with military force - just shaking their heads in disapproval doesn't cut it when we're talking about nukes. The fact that NK is not a signatory is irrelevant...because the US definitely is (though the PRC is not, which is worrying to say the least).

I'm planning to retire in 2030 if not sooner. Now I'm starting to wonder if I'll even be here by then.
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Re: North Korea

North Korea aren't a signatory to, well, pretty much anything.

NK detonate a weapon in the atmosphere even China will struggle to gloss over it.
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Old 25-09-2017, 13:27   #171
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Re: North Korea

The best anyone can hope for is that Kim takes early retirement and the Russians stop meddling.... Hmmm I wonder where those dodgy Ukrainian rocket engines that they've reverse engineered came from/via
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The best anyone can hope for is that Kim takes early retirement and the Russians stop meddling.... Hmmm I wonder where those dodgy Ukrainian rocket engines that they've reverse engineered came from/via
Issue is, one thing Kim has going for him is that he is young, that said, NK is such a secretive nation, his actual birth date is unknown, estimations put him between the age of 33 and 36, however, carrying on his sedentary lifestyle and that he has his weight issues, he probably won't make it to his fathers age, which was 70.

The Leadership of the country is a Dynasty, so he probably has a few children already, hidden in secret.
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Issue is, one thing Kim has going for him is that he is young, that said, NK is such a secretive nation, his actual birth date is unknown, estimations put him between the age of 33 and 36, however, carrying on his sedentary lifestyle and that he has his weight issues, he probably won't make it to his fathers age, which was 70.

The Leadership of the country is a Dynasty, so he probably has a few children already, hidden in secret.
In a roundabout way I mean involuntary early retirement Although that's unlikely to happen as demonstrated by what happened to his Uncle who allegedly wanted to move towards normalising relations with the international community via China.
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Re: North Korea

North Korea accuses US of declaring war

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41391978

No need to declare war as it never ended.
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Re: North Korea

Well it going hot has odds from the 'experts', although I know no-one listens to them any more, of about 50-50. A nuclear conflict views vary from 10% to inevitable if the war goes hot.

So deeply encouraging that two man-children are in charge of the respective sides. There seems to be a competition of who can be the most bellicose at the moment. That rhetoric coming from North Korea is par for the course, it coming from the United States is unheard of.

North Korea's leaders are being fed all the propaganda material they need and their paranoia is being constantly nourished. Insanity.
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Well it going hot has odds from the 'experts', although I know no-one listens to them any more, of about 50-50. A nuclear conflict views vary from 10% to inevitable if the war goes hot.

So deeply encouraging that two man-children are in charge of the respective sides. There seems to be a competition of who can be the most bellicose at the moment. That rhetoric coming from North Korea is par for the course, it coming from the United States is unheard of.

North Korea's leaders are being fed all the propaganda material they need and their paranoia is being constantly nourished. Insanity.
Fair question. How do you think Hillary Clinton would have handled this as President?

Bearing in mind there is an old interview of her from 2008 era, talking of Iran getting nuclear capability and the threat posed against Israel, that would cross a line her book, she stated that if Iran attacked Israel, if she's the President, she'd attack Iran and made no bones about totally obliterating them, which totally upset Iran at the time, is kinda no different to how Trump is threatening NK, today.



Par for the course, initially it was just bluster from NK, they did not have Nuclear capability, so their threats to blow up the U.S with past Presidents, was not real, so they could be easily ignored. Now, not so much.

I think the U.S strategy is to now taunt and intimidate NK and make it so abundantly clear that while, yes they may get to strike Japan or South Korea or even Guam and that they may have a million strong army. The U.S has the military hardware to annihilate them.

The two rockets NK fired over Japan, I think were tests to see if Trump would lose it and make a strike them, Trump obviously hasn't lost his cool with them, in the military sense, he obviously has a lot more buttons than people previously said he hadn't.
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Fair question. How do you think Hillary Clinton would have handled this as President?
So firstly it doesn't matter. She was not elected and what she may have done in any particular situation is absolutely irrelevant. Trump won, and whatever our opinions we all have to get over it.

For all it matters she could have said she'd respond to North Korea by doing a naked pole dance for the UN Security Council. She's not the Commander in Chief.

However, as you asked, she'd have likely carried on the same policies she pursued as Secretary of State. She has foreign policy experience. She tended to be very hands off with North Korea, and dealt with them through intermediaries rather than direct negotiation. The criticisms leveled at her during her tenure were that she was too relaxed over North Korea.

http://www.politico.eu/article/hilla...clear-weapons/

She is extremely unlikely to have threatened them outright with 'fury and fire', she is extremely unlikely to have called KJ-U names to the United Nations, and is extremely unlikely to have engaged in diplomacy over Twitter.

Do you find it likely North Korea would, without either actual or perceived provocation, attack South Korea or any other nearby nation? If not, why respond to their provocation with provocation in turn? All Trump's actions have achieved so far is acceleration by North Korea of their weapons program and a whole bunch of propaganda material for KJ-U to blast at his people.

South Korea have backed off from broadcasting propaganda at North Korea to try and calm things down. It's their lives Trump is gambling with with his frankly belligerent approach. China and the West have always been the grown-ups dealing with the petulant child who fires rockets and tests nukes for attention, now the West's responses are under the remit of another petulant child.

Like it or not, North Korea appear to possess both fission and fusion bombs, and there are no military options that don't involve the deaths of tens of millions at best and billions at worst. On a purely selfish level North Korean intervention militarily doesn't worry me, it's the potential for escalation. North Korea border 3 nations: South Korea, China and Russia. That's an awful lot of nuclear weapons in a small space and an awful lot of potential for conflicts to spill over.

I would hope that there's a carrot being dangled for them somewhere that we're aware of, I don't see any positives coming from the stick. The only way to resolve this now is softly and over a long period, however I don't think President Trump's ego allows him to entertain this but would be delighted to be proven wrong.

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The two rockets NK fired over Japan, I think were tests to see if Trump would lose it and make a strike them, Trump obviously hasn't lost his cool with them, in the military sense, he obviously has a lot more buttons than people previously said he hadn't.
China have a declared policy of responding to attacks on North Korea. I have no doubt those rocket launches were done to get attention but most definitely not an attempt to provoke attack. North Korea don't want a war. The ruling dynasty are quite happy being in charge and their belligerence strengthens their hold on power. Getting into a hot war with the United States wouldn't really be good for their longer term prospects.

As far as whether Trump lost his cool over the matter or 'lost it' I don't know. For all you and I know his immediate reaction may have been to want to strike them and his Joint Chiefs talked him down before the plans were put into action.
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Re: North Korea

Wonder what the genius masterplan is behind this, or is it just fake news?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/01/po...rea/index.html
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Wonder what the genius masterplan is behind this, or is it just fake news?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/01/po...rea/index.html
Do you think Trump's account has been hacked then? He (or his account) did tweet:

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"I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man..." Trump said on Twitter.

He continued, "...Save your energy Rex, we'll do what has to be done!"
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