Unstoppable migration?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Load of crap from an unworthy source.

They will be tighter border controls as there needs to be, in some form or version or there is going to be a riot.

Interesting .. what do you regard as worthy sources?

Originally Posted by ianch99

Interesting .. what do you regard as worthy sources?

TheGuardian, it is an Anti-Brexit paper and also, it says an ex-minister 'warns'. He is warning and that is all he is doing. Doesn't mean it is the truth.

Nothing is set in stone yet, no arrangements have been arranged.

But as I said, we absolutely need tighter border controls, I am all for skilled migrant workers coming in and filling in the positions, as needed but we should be closing to door to those only coming here to milk the system and do not work and there has been too many of them.

Couple of examples why I feel the way I do. I live in the North where we have had a massive influx of migrants from Eastern European Countries, like Romania and Poland.

Earlier this week, two Romanian nationals, both Women, tried to Mug an elderly gentlemen, they were manhandling him and my female friend and her dad went to his rescue, police came and all gave statements, since then police has informed the the victim and his family, the two women were Romanians and they have history of related crimes. They need to be sent back! They commit crimes and do not deserve to reside in Britain, if they do not respect the laws and the people that live here.

A few weeks ago, a fourteen year old boy was walking along a road when 3 men of Eastern European appearance (Romanian) stopped the boy and went through his pockets and school bag, a passing car with 4 Asian men, stopped and pulled over and took these men to one side, the Asians later told Police in a statement that the three men were Romanian.

On a street next to me, we have a house with either Refugees or Migrants, they have no respect for the property and surrounding environment, they chuck their rubbish in the alleyway, they throw their babies nappies out their bedroom windows, without use of nappy sacks, one landed in one of neighbours gardens. Several reports to the Council have yielded very little action.

My mothers Colleague from her works was drawing out money from a Cash machine, just before Christmas, in broad daylight ! Next news, as soon as the money appeared from the machine, she said a man with a foreign accent told her to move, pushed her and grabbed the cash and ran, however, the thief was that dumb, he ran in to a local Tesco and my mums colleague ran after them and followed him in and alerted the security guard that she had just been robbed by a man who ran in here, they held him until the Police came, the police later said the man was a Polish migrant only recently come to live here.

So I will say it again, we need tighter border controls. It's alright for those down South, in their lovely posh surroundings, who have not taken their fair share of Migrants in their community or none at all!!!

I find it a bit rich those saying, 'come in you're welcome here', but have none living in their area. You try living with some of them who are thugs who would rob you blind, you try living with Migrant neighbours who throw human crap in your garden, literally.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mick

TheGuardian, it is an Anti-Brexit paper and also, it says an ex-minister 'warns'. He is warning and that is all he is doing. Doesn't mean it is the truth.

Nothing is set in stone yet, no arrangements have been arranged.

But as I said, we absolutely need tighter border controls, I am all for skilled migrant workers coming in and filling in the positions, as needed but we should be closing to door to those only coming here to milk the system and do not work and there has been too many of them.

Couple of examples why I feel the way I do. I live in the North where we have had a massive influx of migrants from Eastern European Countries, like Romania and Poland.

Earlier this week, two Romanian nationals, both Women, tried to Mug an elderly gentlemen, they were manhandling him and my female friend and her dad went to his rescue, police came and all gave statements, since then police has informed the the victim and his family, the two women were Romanians and they have history of related crimes. They need to be sent back! They commit crimes and do not deserve to reside in Britain, if they do not respect the laws and the people that live here.

A few weeks ago, a fourteen year old boy was walking along a road when 3 men of Eastern European appearance (Romanian) stopped the boy and went through his pockets and school bag, a passing car with 4 Asian men, stopped and pulled over and took these men to one side, the Asians later told Police in a statement that the three men were Romanian.

On a street next to me, we have a house with either Refugees or Migrants, they have no respect for the property and surrounding environment, they chuck their rubbish in the alleyway, they throw their babies nappies out their bedroom windows, without use of nappy sacks, one landed in one of neighbours gardens. Several reports to the Council have yielded very little action.

My mothers Colleague from her works was drawing out money from a Cash machine, just before Christmas, in broad daylight ! Next news, as soon as the money appeared from the machine, she said a man with a foreign accent told her to move, pushed her and grabbed the cash and ran, however, the thief was that dumb, he ran in to a local Tesco and my mums colleague ran after them and followed him in and alerted the security guard that she had just been robbed by a man who ran in here, they held him until the Police came, the police later said the man was a Polish migrant only recently come to live here.

So I will say it again, we need tighter border controls. It's alright for those down South, in their lovely posh surroundings, who have not taken their fair share of Migrants in their community or none at all!!!

I find it a bit rich those saying, 'come in you're welcome here', but have none living in their area. You try living with some of them who are thugs who would rob you blind, you try living with Migrant neighbours who throw human crap in your garden, literally.

Maybe they caught it from the likes of Bob Geldof, Lily Allen et al - the usual pious celebrity suspects whose lives are never directly affected but go about about telling the rest of us how much more we should do, care, give etc.

[nomadking]

Would really like to know how on earth people can argue that if Brexit had happened say 10 years ago, that we would have the same number of foreigners living here as we do now. Just total nonsense. If EU membership wasn't a factor, how come the influx from Eastern Europe didn't happen until they became EU members?

Of the non-British population from EU countries, the largest group was Polish nationals, with about 853,000, according to the latest Office for National Statistics (ONS) Population of the United Kingdom by Country of Birth and Nationality report.
The Irish were the second-largest group, with 331,000 residing here. Romanian and Portuguese nationals are in joint third place, with 175,000 people from each country living in Britain.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Interesting .. what do you regard as worthy sources?

on this forum you get grief for quoting from any newspaper with the word daily in the title .

[roughbeast]

Originally Posted by Mick

Load of crap from an unworthy source.

They will be tighter border controls as there needs to be, in some form or version or there is going to be a riot.

We already have the border controls we need. After leaving the EU, its citizens will still be able to enter the UK as now, or with a visa if that is the deal. What they won't be able to do is set up in residence or employment without a permit. They will have the same status as non-EU residents, who entered the country in greater numbers than EU citizens last year. The economy will decide which immigrants we choose to give work and residence permits to, not me, not you, not Farage and not rioting little Englanders. The alternative is to severely damage the economy and public services by allowing essential jobs to be unfilled.

Originally Posted by roughbeast

We already have the border controls we need. After leaving the EU, its citizens will still be able to enter the UK as now, or with a visa if that is the deal.

We certainly do not have the border controls we need. Let's hope it is not the deal, all indications are that it won't be despite a warning from an ex-minister to the Guardian newspaper that says or warns otherwise.

[roughbeast]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Would really like to know how on earth people can argue that if Brexit had happened say 10 years ago, that we would have the same number of foreigners living here as we do now. Just total nonsense. If EU membership wasn't a factor, how come the influx from Eastern Europe didn't happen until they became EU members?

If we hadn't joined the EU then we would have got our low-paid agricultural workers from somewhere else. There would have been plenty Commonwealth citizens happy to have filled that slot. In the long run we would have imported just as many, but perhaps not in such large spurts.

In one respect you are right. We wouldn't have had the surge in arrivals when the EU expanded. The story of the mishandled arrival of so many Poles is now legendary. Funnily enough though, if it hadn't been for their arrival our agricultural industries could not have done as well as they have and food prices would have been sky high.

A perfect example is Boston, which has had very large numbers of Poles arriving. Not only have they filled certain sorts of jobs, but they have revived industry and employment in the area. Boston now imports food from abroad to process around Boston to take advantage of available labour. New plant has been built and the port is booming. Existing non-Pole tradesmen are benefiting because all this new investment needs plumbers, builders, fitters, electricians etc. Boston now has some of the lowest unemployment in the country.

Yet, Bostonians voted heavily to leave the EU because they didn't like the way their area has changed culturally and because the government didn't provide additional funds to expand schools, hospitals etc. One thing is for sure, if they lose their influx of young and economically active Europeans Bostonians will find that it begins to diminish once more with empty premises and run-down area appearing again.

[heero_yuy]

Around 700 migrants have stormed a six-metre (20 ft) security fence that separates Morocco from Ceuta, a Spanish territory in North Africa.

Police said security cameras showed the migrants breaking through one of the gates, some wielding shears and clubs.

The Ceuta regional government said almost 500 made it across the razor wire barrier.

Ceuta and Melilla, another Spanish territory in North Africa, have the EU's only land borders with Africa.

As a result, they are popular crossing points for migrants hoping to reach a new life in Europe.

Source

Bet they all get to stay.

[Osem]

Nobody seems to be confronting the problem of citizenship as opposed to migration. Short term controlled migration is one thing but confering rights of citizenship to huge numbers of people doesn't solve the problems of an increasing proportion of elderly. It does the opposite.

[Osem]

A camp housing 1,500 migrants in northern France has been destroyed in a fire that officials said began during a fight between Afghans and Kurds.
At least 10 people were injured when the fire tore through closely-packed huts at the Grande-Synthe camp, near the port of Dunkirk.
Last month officials said the camp would be dismantled because of unrest.
The French north coast has been a magnet for migrants trying to reach Britain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39562742

I dare say there'll be a queue of pious celebs, hyprocrite politicians and social media do-gooders to take them all in...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by roughbeast

If we hadn't joined the EU then we would have got our low-paid agricultural workers from somewhere else. There would have been plenty Commonwealth citizens happy to have filled that slot. In the long run we would have imported just as many, but perhaps not in such large spurts.

In one respect you are right. We wouldn't have had the surge in arrivals when the EU expanded. The story of the mishandled arrival of so many Poles is now legendary. Funnily enough though, if it hadn't been for their arrival our agricultural industries could not have done as well as they have and food prices would have been sky high.

A perfect example is Boston, which has had very large numbers of Poles arriving. Not only have they filled certain sorts of jobs, but they have revived industry and employment in the area. Boston now imports food from abroad to process around Boston to take advantage of available labour. New plant has been built and the port is booming. Existing non-Pole tradesmen are benefiting because all this new investment needs plumbers, builders, fitters, electricians etc. Boston now has some of the lowest unemployment in the country.

Yet, Bostonians voted heavily to leave the EU because they didn't like the way their area has changed culturally and because the government didn't provide additional funds to expand schools, hospitals etc. One thing is for sure, if they lose their influx of young and economically active Europeans Bostonians will find that it begins to diminish once more with empty premises and run-down area appearing again.

Great points. I think the issue also is that the area changed very rapidly and people understandably found this hard to cope with and reacted against it.

[Osem]

I thought it was only white/western types who indulged in slavery:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-39567632

Africans trying to reach Europe are being sold by their captors in "slave markets" in Libya, the International Organization for Migration (IOM) says.
Victims told IOM that after being detained by people smugglers or militia groups, they were taken to town squares or car parks to be sold.
Migrants with skills like painting or tiling would fetch higher prices, the head of the IOM in Libya told the BBC.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Osem

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39562742

I dare say there'll be a queue of pious celebs, hyprocrite politicians and social media do-gooders to take them all in...

Lily Allen is being uncharacteristically silent on the issue. Perhaps Afghanistan doesn't want her apologising on their behalf?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Russ

Lily Allen is being uncharacteristically silent on the issue. Perhaps Afghanistan doesn't want her apologising on their behalf?

Saint Bob and his bandwagon jumping chums too. Odd that...