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Old 23-11-2017, 11:34   #1
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Minimum Tobacco Pricing

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42081019

NHS Health Scotland and the Scottish Collaboration for Public Health Research and Policy (SCPHRP) at the University of Edinburgh have put forward the ideas as part of a new national tobacco strategy.


Now that the drink industry has finally accepted the minimum alcohol pricing (albeit after 5 yrs of protestation) here's hoping the Scottish Government will now move onto the next big killer.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42081019 now move onto the next big killer.
Dementia?

Coronary heart disease due to an excessive poor diet?

Oh, you mean the ones that they can tax and profit from.... before considering a Deep Fried Mars Bar Tax?
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Dementia?

Coronary heart disease due to an excessive poor diet?

Oh, you mean the ones that they can tax and profit from.... before considering a Deep Fried Mars Bar Tax?
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Re: Minimum Tobacco Pricing

There are no really cheap brands, compared with the alcohol situation, eg cheap cider. It is the retailers/suppliers who profit from any minimum pricing. The manufacturers can up their prices and make more profit and that profit won't even be made in the UK, as there doesn't seem to be any cigarette factories in the UK.
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Re: Minimum Tobacco Pricing

The UK already has a Minimum Excise Tax, an amount equal to the higher of the following alternatives, either £217.23 per 1,000 cigarettes plus 16.5% of retail price or £280.15 per 1,000 cigarettes (Duty rate from 6pm 22 November 2017).

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...cco-duty-rates
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There are no really cheap brands, compared with the alcohol situation, eg cheap cider. It is the retailers/suppliers who profit from any minimum pricing. The manufacturers can up their prices and make more profit and that profit won't even be made in the UK, as there doesn't seem to be any cigarette factories in the UK.
Possibly because "hardened smokers" don't buy from shops any more due to the price. This benefits organised crime in China, Russia etc.

Price goes up, less duty raised no decrease in the number of smokers. Good strategy by ASH and the anti smoking lobbying.
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Re: Minimum Tobacco Pricing

Well worth a read...

https://fullfact.org/economy/does-sm...akes-treasury/
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I notice fullfact.org makes no mention of the loss to the Treasury of (illegal) sales of imported tobacco.
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Re: Minimum Tobacco Pricing

A bit surprised tobacco pouches haven't increased more over the years. I know they did away with the small pouches but it's still only ~£20 for 50g of Golden Virginia, when i used to smoke that was a good 1-2 weeks worth at 20-30 per day. That's not a prohibitive cost in the slightest.
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Re: Minimum Tobacco Pricing

Good to see my thread has sparked a dialogue.

It certainly makes sense to look at dementia and obesity as these conditions are on the rise. However by focussing on one issue at a time scarce resources can be used to best effect.
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Re: Minimum Tobacco Pricing

I read somewhere of the increasing costs to the NHS by sporting injuries and illnesses. During my time in the RAF sporting injuries of many types began to be classed as "self-inflicted" meaning you could be put on charge and fined if you suffered one.

Should the NHS start charging for dealing with sports injuries?
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I read somewhere of the increasing costs to the NHS by sporting injuries and illnesses. During my time in the RAF sporting injuries of many types began to be classed as "self-inflicted" meaning you could be put on charge and fined if you suffered one.

Should the NHS start charging for dealing with sports injuries?
It's got my vote especially those idiot cyclists (queue Kursk!).
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I read somewhere of the increasing costs to the NHS by sporting injuries and illnesses. During my time in the RAF sporting injuries of many types began to be classed as "self-inflicted" meaning you could be put on charge and fined if you suffered one.

Should the NHS start charging for dealing with sports injuries?
When was that?

I was in 74-80, and was a member of the station Athletics and Volleyball teams, and know lots of friends in the Rugby, Hockey, Judo, and Football teams, and none of us were ever charged when we got injured playing sports.
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I've just had a word with a friend who was on the RAF boxing team, he's never heard of it either. He's said those involved in sports were given extra privileges not fined for being injured.

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When was that?

I was in 74-80, and was a member of the station Athletics and Volleyball teams, and know lots of friends in the Rugby, Hockey, Judo, and Football teams, and none of us were ever charged when we got injured playing sports.
Mind you in boxing how can it be judged as self inflicted when any injury is caused by the other person?
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When was that?

I was in 74-80, and was a member of the station Athletics and Volleyball teams, and know lots of friends in the Rugby, Hockey, Judo, and Football teams, and none of us were ever charged when we got injured playing sports.
Mid to late 80's . Parascending was the first target, then other "extreme" sports including mountain biking, motocross, etc. "Mainline" sports such as rugby, football, tennis, etc., were not included at that time, but players were warned that being unfit for duty as a result of sport could cause them problems.
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