Crisis in the NHS

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But it is Theresa May's initiative to improve mental health, not Jeremy Corbyn, although he might wish to jump on the bandwagon now so he doesn't look so bad, a feat though that would be.

Lol that's rich, trying to fix a problem her party has created. All promises can be forgotten tomorrow and project 'dismantle the NHS' can continue.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But it is Theresa May's initiative to improve mental health, not Jeremy Corbyn, although he might wish to jump on the bandwagon now so he doesn't look so bad, a feat though that would be.

Promises are one thing as anybody can do that at the end of the day but delivering the actual reality of it all is another as most politicians make insincere statements and promises and yet don't back it up with any action OB.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Lol that's rich, trying to fix a problem her party has created. All promises can be forgotten tomorrow and project 'dismantle the NHS' can continue.

How did her party create this problem? Mental health has always been the cinderella service of the NHS, including during the 1997-2010 Blair/Brown years.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Promises are one thing as anybody can do that at the end of the day but delivering the actual reality of it all is another as most politicians make insincere statements and promises and yet don't back it up with any action OB.

I sense Theresa May is deadly serious about this, Den, but only time will prove me right on this.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

[/COLOR]I sense Theresa May is deadly serious about this, Den, but only time will prove me right on this.

mmm, she was deadly serious on the NI increase and there being no cap on the 'dementia tax'....

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

mmm, she was deadly serious on the NI increase and there being no cap on the 'dementia tax'....

The NI issue was an ill advised David Cameron promise, which happened to be overlooked by the Chancellor, who did not realise that the adjustment he proposed would contravene a manifesto promise. Theresa rightly reversed this decision when it was pointed out.

The cap was a hidden benefit to people that would have been discussed through a consultation process. I guess it was wrong not to make it clear in the manifesto, but hells bells, nobody would be affected adversely by this.

I am pretty fed up with costant jibing over u-turns. I think it's good to have a listening leader who is prepared to change their mind if persuaded by the arguments against, don't you?

Mind you, if you vote Jeremy in, you will certainly be voting for someone who stands firm in the middle of all common sense! Not for me!

Originally Posted by Hugh

If he had said that in the first place, I would have agreed with him - it's wrong that this happened.

But he misrepresented the fact that no one had actually lost their job - he actually said "sacked", which is not true.

There's enough negative things been done by various parties/governments, without having to make stuff up, which weakens the argument when it is shown to be false (there's been a lot of this on Social Media in the last week, with anti-Conservative memes about Lincs Tories and a non-existent MP saying things).

If the facts are enough to help you win, you have morally lost anyway (whichever side you're on).

Originally Posted by Mr K

think you're trying to play your usual word semantics to divert from the real issue Hugh. Are you happy and proud that the party you support has overseen 6,700 jobs in mental health going?

My answer to that question was previously posted....

"Semantics" - or as everyone else calls them - "facts".

No one was sacked.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

My answer to that question was previously posted....

"Semantics" - or as everyone else calls them - "facts".

No one was sacked.

I'll stick to my original words then ( if that's ok) the posts have been culled.
2 hours 50 mins left to save the NHS.

If the NHS was a shining beacon between 1997 - 2010 you might have a point but it wasn't yes they built hospitals under PFI which will have the NHS paying for them forever and a day and vastly more then if they just built them out of the NHS budget. Labour are anything but the grand saviors of the NHS and even if they were the economic disaster they always leaves hamstrings the next few governments who have to sort it out, yeah go labour vote labour .

[Mr K]

I'm no fan of Blair but Labour can be proud of the investment made, hospitals were built. The NHS is now crumbling very few would deny that. Does anybody really think the Tories are going to save it? They've had 7 years, they don't give a toss for the plebs.

On the bright side Fox hunting will be back, so that's the main thing, tally ho !

Originally Posted by Mr K

I'm no fan of Blair but Labour can be proud of the investment made, hospitals were built. The NHS is now crumbling very few would deny that. Does anybody really think the Tories are going to save it? They've had 7 years, they don't give a toss for the plebs.

On the bright side Fox hunting will be back, so that's the main thing, tally ho !

You're using sound bites like an ill informed Labour Activist.

Labour will not save NHS and Fox hunting needs a vote in Parliament before it came back. But it's never actually gone away. The sport still happens, it's a case of what the eye does not see.

[Osem]

Labour can be proud of the massive PFI legacy they've left us paying for for decades can they? Typical Labour tripe. Hugely expensive contracts which are so profitable for the private companies who run them they're even bought and sold like commodities. If the Tories had been responsible for those contracts we'd never have heard the end of it from the usual suspects - fat cats looking after their rich mates blah blah blah... How can anyone be proud that the taxpayer and hence the NHS has been ripped off so badly?

Originally Posted by Mr K

I'm no fan of Blair but Labour can be proud of the investment made, hospitals were built. The NHS is now crumbling very few would deny that. Does anybody really think the Tories are going to save it? They've had 7 years, they don't give a toss for the plebs.

On the bright side Fox hunting will be back, so that's the main thing, tally ho !

PFI costs the NHS £2 billion a year.

https://fullfact.org/health/what-nhs...e-initiatives/

"Proud of the investment made" lmao did you type that with a straight face they might have built hospitals but using PFI was a lazy solution and an extremely costly one for years and years to come and on top of that some of those hospitals were so poorly constructed they need constant running repairs which is an additional cost on top of the PFI. Labour screwed the NHS more then the torys could and the great thing about it are people like you who parrot total rubbish in support of what they did so win win for labour. They throw money we don't have around like confetti looking very good knowing another party has to come in and sort out the mess losing public support as they do it which leads to labour getting back in, you couldn't make it up.

[OLD BOY]

We've just come dangerously close to finding out just how badly Labour would have actually run the NHS. I hope it never comes to that.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

I'm no fan of Blair but Labour can be proud of the investment made, hospitals were built. The NHS is now crumbling very few would deny that. Does anybody really think the Tories are going to save it? They've had 7 years, they don't give a toss for the plebs.

On the bright side Fox hunting will be back, so that's the main thing, tally ho !

Yes, built by the private sector, of course! What cynicism!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Hugh

PFI costs the NHS £2 billion a year.

https://fullfact.org/health/what-nhs...e-initiatives/

Yes, all that money going into fat cat PRIVATE hands and Labour should be proud of it? I thought they were vehemently against privatising the NHS

Even the fattest of Tory cats would have struggled to privatise the NHS more than Brown...