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Old 02-03-2012, 17:40   #31
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Re: KILL unwanted or disabled babies at birth as they are not a real person'

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Isn't that the topic under discussion?
No ,although i suppose that would be raised .The topic is about a interlectual argument about justifying euthenasia in new born babies that are heavily deformed or disabled ,and the difference between aborting ,for example,a Downs baby that the parent is aware is handicapped and euthenasing the same baby just after birth for a parent who didn't know

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Isn't that the topic under discussion?

By the way, here is a link to the full scientific paper, in case anyone wants to read what was actually written before it was churned into a headline by a "journalist":

http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/201...11-100411.full
already did that mate as soon as i saw peoples heads start to explode at indignation at the suggestion by the Mail that "babies should be killed"
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Old 02-03-2012, 23:08   #32
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Does the law need changing ?
Yes it does (but it should not be scraped)!
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Old 03-03-2012, 00:22   #33
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Isn't that the topic under discussion?

By the way, here is a link to the full scientific paper, in case anyone wants to read what was actually written before it was churned into a headline by a "journalist":

http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/201...11-100411.full
I had a look at that, and I wouldn't call it a 'scientific paper'. The paper is absolute dross and full of self-serving circular definitions. It's just an opinion piece (and an extreme one at that), nothing more, nothing less. Anyone of us could write that as a letter to the editor of our favourite newspaper. This one's been published in the Medical equivalent of the Daily Star, and it should be treated as such.
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There are more than the two possibilities that you mention; for example, pregnancy following rape.
Indeed, there are many possibilities. However in the circumstances you mention, all I would say is, the child is not responsible for the sins of its father. He/she doesn't deserve to die because of how he/she was conceived.
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I'd suggest anyone who advocates killing babies "is not a real person".
I thought only the Klingons did this.
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Indeed, there are many possibilities. However in the circumstances you mention, all I would say is, the child is not responsible for the sins of its father. He/she doesn't deserve to die because of how he/she was conceived.
The counter argument would take the perspective of the woman involved. She is not responsible for the sins of her child's father either. Why should she have to carry his child?
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i not getting involved in this conforsation.. but i dont agree in killing new born babies,i understand if the baby is dieing,fair enough..apart from that N.O.

if people have sex and full pregant,they should be 100percent responsable with that baby!!! not fair on that baby to die cos they couldnt be bothered to wear one/or use any protection!
thats all i am saying..
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The counter argument would take the perspective of the woman involved. She is not responsible for the sins of her child's father either. Why should she have to carry his child?
Then she should put it up for adoption!

If you do not want to have children, do not have sex, otherwise have a condom!
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Re: KILL unwanted or disabled babies at birth as they are not a real person'

"Unwanted" babies are probably already being killed somewhere due to their sex.

Would you want a government-funded company like ATOS involved in deciding if a baby is "disabled" or not?
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Then she should put it up for adoption!
Oh. So she should be forced to carry his baby for 9 months with all the consequences this has to her personal life, and then live the rest of her life in the knowledge that she has offspring from some bloke that forced himself upon her? Nice...
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"Unwanted" babies are probably already being killed somewhere due to their sex.

Would you want a government-funded company like ATOS involved in deciding if a baby is "disabled" or not?
I do not thing babies should be killed becuase of their sex, also abortion should only be used for medical reasons only!

We you look at a child you can see why killing them is a bad idea!
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Oh. So she should be forced to carry his baby for 9 months with all the consequences this has to her personal life, and then live the rest of her life in the knowledge that she has offspring from some bloke that forced himself upon her? Nice...
If she was "raped" then it is also "Ok" to abort it, but why should the child pay the prices of her parents?
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If she was "raped" then it is also "Ok" to abort it, but why should the child pay the prices of her parents?
Which was the argument under discussion. As for the other matter, not all forms of contraception are 100% safe. Also, weather you like it or not, abortions will take place, even if they were outlawed. Best make sure that those that do take place take place under safe conditions.
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Then she should put it up for adoption!

If you do not want to have children, do not have sex, otherwise have a condom!
Should that not be "use a"
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