June 8th General Election

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The staffing problems are caused by the massive increase in demand for the NHS, which is fuelled by uncontrolled immigration.

There are several factors apart from immigration. Let's not forget that most immigrants are young and healthy so not a big user of the NHS and thir impact on the NHS is outweighed by the numbers of immigrants working in it.

Other important factors include:
- Peoples' expectations of healthcare are higher
- Longer life expectancy
- Reduction in social care.

All councils should be encouraged to prevent bed-blocking regardless of which parties are in local control.

---------- Post added at 17:50 ---------- Previous post was at 17:44 ----------

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

It is an EU policy and goal and our politicians have been the ones implementing it whilst other nations have ignored it and done whats best for them it's one of the minor reasons why I'll be happy to the back of the EU.

What's your source for that? Their website does not mandate a standard 20% rate on everything.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs...c/vat-rates_en

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

There are several factors apart from immigration. Let's not forget that most immigrants are young and healthy so not a big user of the NHS and thir impact on the NHS is outweighed by the numbers of immigrants working in it.

Other important factors include:
- Peoples' expectations of healthcare are higher
- Longer life expectancy
- Reduction in social care.

All councils should be encouraged to prevent bed-blocking regardless of which parties are in local control.

The young and healthy ones have come in with their parents and sometimes their grandparents, who may not be quite so healthy! It is quite clear, at least in my area, that the vast majority of people using A&E are Asians and others who don't even speak English when conversing with the people they have arrived with. This used to be the exception, but in the last decade or so it has become commonplace. We natives are now in a minority.

Nothing wrong with that, of course, but I draw attention to it because it disproves your theory that the level of immigration is not impacting on the NHS.

I agree that longer life expectancy has also played its part in adding the pressure and this has also led to the increased pressure on social care. However, this is too big and important a problem for Labour to deal with. It's Labour controlled councils who are causing most of the bed blocking.

Remember that under the Conservatives, hospital patients are no longer expected to drink out of vases. I know who I trust to make sensible decisions about the NHS, and Labour it ain't!

[Osem]

Yep.

How on earth can 350,000 extra people every year NOT impact on the NHS and other public services? I dare say they won't impact on them or add to the proportion of aged in the UK when they get old and infirm either.

The argument that immigration solves these problems is a nonsense. It just delays their onset but creates a larger problem for the future.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Osem

The argument that immigration solves these problems is a nonsense. It just delays their onset but creates a larger problem for the future.

Agreed,


As I've said before, there is an agenda behind mass immigration, and any Nation state that stands against it is under attack. This is why the EU links freedom of movement so strongly with trade and Trump's immigration policy is under attack from liberal pressure groups, largely financed by globalists such as George Soros.


Britain has relied on immigration to fill jobs rather than making sure they are training British people; That has come back to bite us on the backside. We need to face up to that and fix it, rather than compromise on immigration for an EU trade deal.

[Mr K]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-answers-door/

Theresa May's doorstep campaign falls flat as no one answers the door to her during a street visit in Scotland

Oh dear, maybe they are all snooker fans ?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Agreed,


As I've said before, there is an agenda behind mass immigration, and any Nation state that stands against it is under attack. This is why the EU links freedom of movement so strongly with trade and Trump's immigration policy is under attack from liberal pressure groups, largely financed by globalists such as George Soros.


Britain has relied on immigration to fill jobs rather than making sure they are training British people; That has come back to bite us on the backside. We need to face up to that and fix it, rather than compromise on immigration for an EU trade deal.

... and what I can never understand is the mindset of those who, on the one hand, whine about so called lazy Brits who won't do the jobs migrants do but won't support changes to the UK's benefit rules which would encourage more Brits to work rather than claim. These same people then tell us we need large scale immigration to make UK PLC work...

Why would anyone in their right mind think that importing low skilled workers into the UK was a good thing when we clearly have a surfeit of our own? Maybe they just want to undermine everything HMG does because that's their end game.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Osem

... and what I can never understand is the mindset of those who, on the one hand, whine about so called lazy Brits who won't do the jobs migrants do but won't support changes to the UK's benefit rules which would encourage more Brits to work rather than claim. These same people then tell us we need large scale immigration to make UK PLC work...

Why would anyone in their right mind think that importing low skilled workers into the UK was a good thing when we clearly have a surfeit of our own? Maybe they just want to undermine everything HMG does because that's their end game.

Hasn't the Government changed the rules to try and help achieve what you've said?

Originally Posted by Mr K

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-answers-door/

Oh dear, maybe they are all snooker fans ?

Probably all glued to the TV laughing at Corbyn's political broadcast that aired today.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mr Banana

Probably all glued to the TV laughing at Corbyn's political broadcast that aired today.

Yeah that was a classic - almost as funny as Laurel and Hardy.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by passingbat

there is an agenda behind mass immigration, and any Nation state that stands against it is under attack. This is why the EU links freedom of movement so strongly with trade and Trump's immigration policy is under attack from liberal pressure groups, largely financed by globalists such as George Soros.

I agree. It's a disturbing agenda.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I agree. It's a disturbing agenda.

Yes they are definitely all out to get us. Let's all put our tin foil hats on....

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes they are definitely all out to get us. Let's all put our tin foil hats on....

That's no protection from our Samsung TV which is listening in as we speak.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

That's no protection from our Samsung TV which is listening in as we speak.

It's the Bilderbergers checking up on you to make sure you don't go off script. I think they will be very pleased with you

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

It's the Bilderbergers checking up on you to make sure you don't go off script. I think they will be very pleased with you

I'll just check my account and see if yesterday's posting fees are in there yet.
No, I'm really paid by the forum to keep the Brexitrumpers on their toes and to keep 'em keep posting.

[Osem]

If anyone gets a chance to listen to LBC's interview by Nick Ferrari of Dianne Abbot a few minutes ago please do and have a good laugh. It may be available to listen to via website at some point or even via YouTube As usual she hadn't got a clue about the numbers when referring to the all those police they're going to recruit and how much it'll cost. Talk about a car crash...