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June 8th General Election
View Poll Results: Who would you vote for on 8th June?
Conservatives 47 48.96%
Labour 24 25.00%
Liberal Democrats 9 9.38%
UKIP 4 4.17%
Greens 2 2.08%
Other 5 5.21%
None, I will Abstain. 5 5.21%
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Old 19-05-2017, 20:27   #586
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I disagree. I have been and am working bloody hard for my assets and money. I've speculated (at personal risk) to accumilate. It's taking blood, sweat and tears (literally). I'm being taxed (a lot) on my income before I can accumulate my assets and money and then I am taxed again on my capital gains when I want to sell some assets to realise some profit from them. How is it right to then strip me of more of my wealth if/when I need care in later life? .......especially when someone else who hasn't bothered has that care simply handed to them?!
How else are we going to pay for it? As I said earlier. I would prefer an increase to National Insurance or some sort of compulsory insurance scheme to pool the risk but this is a start.

It's the same argument as student loans really. Those who afford it should pay more alternatively we all pay more via tax.
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How else are we going to pay for it? As I said earlier. I would prefer an increase to National Insurance or some sort of compulsory insurance scheme to pool the risk but this is a start.

It's the same argument as student loans really. Those who afford it should pay more alternatively we all pay more via tax.
Well since we're talking inheritance here it'll be the children/grandchildren of those who wind up paying who will suffer - they'll get less help from their parents which will in turn mean they have less assets for HMG to take.
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Well since we're talking inheritance here it'll be the younger generation who wind up suffering.
It will be the younger generation who'll suffer either way. The alternative to this plan would have been to raise tax/NI on people in work to pay for the shortfall of those who've retired, just after those who've retired were recipients of a triple-lock pension during a time of austerity for everyone else.

Now I still prefer that. I think there is a better argument for increasing spending on social care than there was for the triple-lock but you can see why that approach might have been seen as a unfair path to take.
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It will be the younger generation who'll suffer either way. The alternative to this plan would have been to raise tax/NI on people in work to pay for the shortfall of those who've retired, just after those who've retired were recipients of a triple-lock pension during a time of austerity for everyone else.

Now I still prefer that. I think there is a better argument for increasing spending on social care than there was for the triple-lock but you can see why that approach might have been seen as a unfair path to take.
Yes, except for the fact that some will suffer disproportionately through no fault of their own whereas the burden could have been spread. I feel the tax option would be a much fairer way of achieving the same end, relatively painlessly.

It's measures such as this which will put off people from saving and lead to those with money/assets to spend it.
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Yes, except for the fact that some will suffer disproportionately through no fault of their own whereas the burden could have been spread. I feel the tax option would be a much fairer way of achieving the same end.
Well yes. I much prefer the idea that we share it out in the same way we do the NHS.

It's not great that the lottery of dementia will dictate how much of your wealth the government will take.
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I vaguely remember free school milk in third pint bottles. It was always warm/sour as it had been hanging about for hours. Some spotty kid would always puke it up through their nose ! Didn't miss it when the Govt. took our milk away ...
(Thatcher the 'Milk Snatcher', I remember now, the one thing I'm grateful to her for..)
I can only speak for the school I was at but yes, it was a 1/3rd pint bottle and was delivered at 10am directly by the MMB. It may have been warm but was not sour. It had only been delivered by the cow at about 6.00am.
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.especially when someone else who hasn't bothered has that care simply handed to them?!.
We agree on this point.

I don't have an answer for that though.

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I cannot stand Jamie Oliver, but I do agree with him that this is a very bad change ;

(Removing free school dinners)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39969155

For many kids, this is the only hot dinner they will get.
They dont want a Breakfast, they want a good hot dinner.

Why not use the incredibly dumb sugar tax to help fund it.
But wouldn't children entitled to a fee school dinner get one?
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Well yes. I much prefer the idea that we share it out in the same way we do the NHS.

It's not great that the lottery of dementia will dictate how much of your wealth the government will take.
Well the older I get the more I'll be inclined to spend so they'll get less out of me in the end.
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We agree on this point.

I don't have an answer for that though.
I would agree if everyone had the same start in life. Unfortunately this is not the case, if it were so poverty would not exist.

There are those like you and myself that have the intelligence and drive to be able to better ourselves but that does not automatically mean that everyone else has it.
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Tories say pensioners in Scotland should escape PM's curbs to winter fuel payments because it's COLDER than England and Wales

Theresa May yesterday unveiled plans to introduce means testing for the benefit - which is worth up to 300 a year - meaning millions could lose out.
But Scottish Secretary David Mundell said that the cuts will not be rolled out in Scotland because of 'climatic issues'.
And Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson said she had decided to keep the universal benefit.





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How else are we going to pay for it?
I don't know but it's not right to tax me, at a higher rate than others, at source, tax me when I buy something, tax me when I sell it and then take away what's left to pay for care at the end but simply hand money out to those who havent strived all through their lives. That's not a 'fairer society'
( I'm not including the disabled or likewise disadvantaged in that whom I am all for helping)

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There are those like you and myself that have the intelligence and drive to be able to better ourselves but that does not automatically mean that everyone else has it.
Indeed, but why should I and my descendants be penalised because of that?
.....and if we are to be penalised, where is our incentive to work hard all through our lives.....if it'll simply be taken away from us in the end anyway?
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We agree on this point.

I don't have an answer for that though.

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But wouldn't children entitled to a fee school dinner get one?
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If you are the parent, foster parent, network family carer or guardian of children at school, and you are on a low income, you could be entitled to free school meals.

Young people, who are still at school but receive income support in their own right, can also receive free school meals.

Your children are entitled to free school meals if you receive:
Income support, or
Income-Based Job Seeker's Allowance, or
Income-Related Employment and Support Allowance, or
The Guarantee Element of State Pension Credit (Guarantee Credit), or
Support under part V1 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999, or
Child Tax Credit, if you have an annual taxable income (as assessed by H M Revenue and Customs) which does not exceed 16,190

Pupils in Reception, Year 1 and Year 2 are automatically entitled to Universal Infant Free School Meals, regardless of their parents' income.
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MI5 had their eye on Jeremy Corbyn amid concerns of potential IRA links, during the height of the IRA era.

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A vote for Theresa May is a vote to bring Margaret Thatcher back in the form of Theresa.

She's seeking approval from you to relive the Thatcher years.

school meals - school milk.
little snotty nosed kids.

the rich getting richer on the backs of the poor.
big fat snotty nosed fatcats.

do you really want that?
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A vote for Theresa May is a vote to bring Margaret Thatcher back in the form of Theresa.

She's seeking approval from you to relive the Thatcher years.

school meals - school milk.
little snotty nosed kids.

the rich getting richer on the backs of the poor.
big fat snotty nosed fatcats.

do you really want that?
I don't want a terrorist sympathiser for PM that's for sure would get this with Corbyn, but it's not just this that bothers me, it's a package of no hopers that follow him, like his racist, White hating former lover, Abbott who thinks cops earn 30 per year, no sorry make that 8,000, oops sorry wrong again...ah sod it.
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