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Old 01-10-2012, 01:32   #46
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Personally,I don't know whether I think he was a paedophile or not. I think his personal life was a little weird but that does not mean he was a paedophile, any more than it did (say) for Kenneth Williams or Frankie Howerd.

I hope that, if he is, this documentary helps his victims get closure. If he isn't, ITV have just launched an attack on someone who has probably raised more cash for charities than almost anyone else in the country.

Either way, I hope the charities he was involved with are not too badly damaged by this.

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Indeed, I have it on good authority that Bruce Forsyth can actually be quite moody, and I know at least one ex-camera supervisor who absolutely refused to work with Ruby Wax because she only ever treated him like dirt.
I honestly don't think his charities will suffer.

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Really? Have you read what you've posted? You've said that people should have their guilt exposed whether they are alive or dead. How the hell can anyone be guilty if their side of the story has not been considered, or even heard?
Many people are found guilty in a court of law in their absence.

Are you suggesting that deceased people should not have any allegations of child abuse allegations investigated?

You're focussing too much on the terminology that i've used- I thought that, following a recent development, being pedantic was now a thing of the past on here
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Are you suggesting that deceased people should not have any allegations of child abuse allegations investigated?
Not having studied law but I can tell you when a person comes forward with allegations of sexual abuse and it is found the alleged person is dead no further action is taken. My knowledge comes from voluntary work with Barnardo's and running a website about the old homes of Dr Barnardo's so I do get a few emails alleging abuse of one thing or another.

Two points: I remember seeing the satirical panel game show Have I got News For You where Paul Merton made some scathing remarks about Jimmy Saville and young girls. Angus Deayton as the presenter at the time who also had a few words to say. there is a link if you want to find the script.

My last one was when I had taken some scouts and cubs to Boyed Field Scout Camp, Henlow in the early 80s. I was instructed that the boys were not allowed to be alone with Jimmy Saville if he was seen running around the grounds.

The scouting association don't normally act on word of mouth but good evidence.
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Not having studied law but I can tell you when a person comes forward with allegations of sexual abuse and it is found the alleged person is dead no further action is taken. My knowledge comes from voluntary work with Barnardo's and running a website about the old homes of Dr Barnardo's so I do get a few emails alleging abuse of one thing or another.

Two points: I remember seeing the satirical panel game show Have I got News For You where Paul Merton made some scathing remarks about Jimmy Saville and young girls. Angus Deayton as the presenter at the time who also had a few words to say. there is a link if you want to find the script.

My last one was when I had taken some scouts and cubs to Boyed Field Scout Camp, Henlow in the early 80s. I was instructed that the boys were not allowed to be alone with Jimmy Saville if he was seen running around the grounds.

The scouting association don't normally act on word of mouth but good evidence.
Thanks for posting.

I can imagine that the police wouldn't want to do an investigation as he's deceased. Aside from the difficulties that his death poses, they would want to utilise their resources on catching living abusers who are able to face punishment if found guilty.

From what you say, it seems that there were suggestions that he was into underage boys as well. I have read that a lot of paedophiles aren't particularly interested in the sex of the child, it's the fact that it's a child that arouses them.

This link is from a girl who claims that he abused her and others as children. She does not believe that the BBC were aware that it was going on.

The part mentioning this is about halfway down.

It was first posted on 30 July 2010:

http://www.fanstory.com/displaystory.jsp?id=363399
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All this is very sad Jimmy Saville is now dead if only the allegations had of been made whilst he was still here.

Now its doubtful wether they can be proved or not as he cannot be questioned in court.
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Many people are found guilty in a court of law in their absence.
If it gets to court then there'll be at least some good and verifiable evidence available, certainly more than "he/she said".

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Are you suggesting that deceased people should not have any allegations of child abuse allegations investigated?
No. Are you suggesting we ought to do away with courts altogether and leave justice up to the people?

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You're focussing too much on the terminology that i've used- I thought that, following a recent development, being pedantic was now a thing of the past on here
When the terminology used relates to what some people "assume" is a person's "guilt" then you cannot be too careful especially when they didn't actually state that the time they "didn't quite mean it that way".
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Jimmy Savile claimed paedophile Gary Glitter 'did nothing wrong'
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That's right. Surely nobody was harmed whilst he was raping young girls. Such a misunderstood chap.
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That's right. Surely nobody was harmed whilst he was raping young girls. Such a misunderstood chap.
In fairness, it looks like the comments weren't in reference to the rape cases, but to the material found on Gary Glitter's pc.
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In fairness, it looks like the comments weren't in reference to the rape cases, but to the material found on Gary Glitter's pc.
... The viewing and downloading of which, boosted the site traffic stats of wherever he got it, possibly earning the distributor advertising or subscription revenue, and most definitely confirming the demand for such material, thereby directly inducing others to go and make more of it.
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What concerns me, is that I was NOT shocked by this. Are people calling all these women lairs ? I do not see what they would expect to gain be coming forward now.

I wonder all the time why any one would want to "play" with kids as a volunteer when not having a child of there own involved. When mine were of that age,I supported what ever they wished to join,but "left" with them
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... The viewing and downloading of which, boosted the site traffic stats of wherever he got it, possibly earning the distributor advertising or subscription revenue, and most definitely confirming the demand for such material, thereby directly inducing others to go and make more of it.
I'm not going to get into an argument about what is and is not acceptable. All I am saying is that when Savile said Glitter did 'nothing wrong' he was commenting on Glitter's dowloading of child porn, and not (as suggested by Russ) on the rape cases which took place years later.
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What concerns me, is that I was NOT shocked by this.
Neither was I. He did certainly have a very sinister vibe to him IMO but then again so did this guy.
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... The viewing and downloading of which, boosted the site traffic stats of wherever he got it, possibly earning the distributor advertising or subscription revenue, and most definitely confirming the demand for such material, thereby directly inducing others to go and make more of it.
quite right
Every pornographic photo of a child means that somewhere that child is in danger so anybody 'just viewing' it is doing great harm because those children aren't just there to have photos taken
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What concerns me, is that I was NOT shocked by this. Are people calling all these women lairs ? I do not see what they would expect to gain be coming forward now.

I wonder all the time why any one would want to "play" with kids as a volunteer when not having a child of there own involved. When mine were of that age,I supported what ever they wished to join,but "left" with them
That's a pretty cynical view, and not one which stands up to any sort of scrutiny. There are people involved in charity and voluntary works of all kinds who have no personal connection to the cause, whether it's meals on wheels, a cancer charity or one of the many uniformed and non-uniformed youth organisations.

In fact, in my experience, lack of willingness of the parents to get involved is one of the main reasons why such organisations can't do everything they would like to or, worse, are forced to shut down.

Do you "wonder all the time" at the motives of the person with no living elderly relatives, who delivers meals on wheels?
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Did anyone else see this as well?

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