Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Sensible down-to-earth bloke. I'd happily buy him a beer if we were in the same pub.

Now that is a surprise

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

Well we all know Brexit is happening but John Major is a pretty moderate conservative who generally talks a lot of sense.

Exactly. When he says "Obstacles are brushed aside as of no consequence, whilst opportunities are inflated beyond any reasonable expectation of delivery." we need to listen.

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Originally Posted by passingbat

Now that is a surprise

[papa smurf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyAMBd_AC_Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK-TDfempwY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1l1XGiXgo0

[Osem]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Exactly. When he says "Obstacles are brushed aside as of no consequence, whilst opportunities are inflated beyond any reasonable expectation of delivery." we need to listen.

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Just who does he think views the obstacles to leaving as being without consequences and what did he have to say about the consequences of staying? Patronising or what...

BREAKING: Lords vote AGAINST Staying in Single Market once we leave EU!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-single-market

[heero_yuy]

I'm all for a clean break. If there's any vestige of our membership left in tact treasonous remoaners will work behind the scenes to showly sneak us back in. It's the same "mission creep" that suckered us into the EU in the first place.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I'm all for a clean break. If there's any vestige of our membership left in tact treasonous remoaners will work behind the scenes to showly sneak us back in. It's the same "mission creep" that suckered us into the EU in the first place.

I could not agree more

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I'm all for a clean break. If there's any vestige of our membership left in tact treasonous remoaners will work behind the scenes to showly sneak us back in. It's the same "mission creep" that suckered us into the EU in the first place.

Jeez, try to be a bit more OTT why don't you

By "treasonous remoaners" I take it you mean people with differing views to yours. Whilst I voted to leave I refuse treat those who voted differently with your level of undemocratic hostility, it's pathetic and achieves nothing

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by martyh

Jeez, try to be a bit more OTT why don't you

By "treasonous remoaners" I take it you mean people with differing views to yours. Whilst I voted to leave I refuse treat those who voted differently with your level of undemocratic hostility, it's pathetic and achieves nothing

Agreed. I find such OTT behaviour very bizarre.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by martyh

Jeez, try to be a bit more OTT why don't you

By "treasonous remoaners" I take it you mean people with differing views to yours. Whilst I voted to leave I refuse treat those who voted differently with your level of undemocratic hostility, it's pathetic and achieves nothing

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. I find such OTT behaviour very bizarre.

I would not use "treasonous remoaners" as a description for any member of the 'remain' public voters, and the vast majority of the remain politicians, but the phrase is applicable to certain politicians, such as Tony Blair and Ken Clarke who are out and out globalists and want to see the elimination of the British sovereign state.


The essence of heero_yuy's post is spot on; the EU will never give up trying to drag the UK back into the Federal States of Europe. It is imperative that we have completely clean break from the EU laws.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

I would not use "treasonous remoaners" as a description for any member of the 'remain' public voters, and the vast majority of the remain politicians, but the phrase is applicable to certain politicians, such as Tony Blair and Ken Clarke who are out and out globalists and want to see the elimination of the British sovereign state.

The essence of heero_yuy's post is spot on; the EU will never give up trying to drag the UK back into the Federal States of Europe. It is imperative that we have completely clean break from the EU laws.

I wouldn't rule out another referendum in the future. Could be 40 years' time or it could be sooner if people feel that Brexit has left the country sidelined on the world stage and poorer economically. It's all a big unknown!

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I wouldn't rule out another referendum in the future. Could be 40 years' time or it could be sooner if people feel that Brexit has left the country sidelined on the world stage and poorer economically. It's all a big unknown!

That is of course "if" your "doom and gloom" proves to be correct.

Think it'll happen when this country starts prospering again?

All this assumes of course that the EU is still in existance in it's present form.

There will be no EU as we currently understand it, 40 years from now.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

That is of course "if" your "doom and gloom" proves to be correct.

Think it'll happen when this country starts prospering again?

All this assumes of course that the EU is still in existance in it's present form.

lol, the country is prospering at the moment - record employment levels, second highest-growing economy in 2016 after Germany. There is inequality and it's up to the UK Government to sort this out. There are clouds on the Horizon with businesses relocating thousands of staff overseas (eg HSBC, UBS, Medicines Regulator). Car factories like Vauxhall and BMW are certainly in a weaker position than they were before the vote. But I accept that some people think this is a price worth paying.
Compare the present day economy to our pre-EU/EEC days with high inflation and high unemployment and an uncompetitive economy and you appreciate the strides the country has made with the benefit of a large free trade bloc which increased competition in the UK and drove weaker companies into the ground.
I can't predict the future. The fall of the iron curtain and the Eastern bloc was certainly unpredicted and has impacted Europe in a significant way. People have been predicting the fall of the EEC/EU since it was formed and they have not been proved right. The bond between France and Germany will probably ensure some kind of EU in the future and there is great enthusiasm for it from eastern European countries who want the security away from Russian influence that it provides.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Chris

There will be no EU as we currently understand it, 40 years from now.

Well l will be in my wooden box by then so l will let you and the forum members argue over that.