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Old 04-01-2017, 00:38   #1351
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No not at all.A country aligned with religion could be a democracy if it allows non believers a say in how the country is run .The UK is defined as a Christian country but we allow Muslims and all other religions a vote ,Israel does not allow most Palestinians to vote from a Palestinians point of view Israel is a dictatorship
And there we have the problem. You are comparing chalk with cheese. No one contests the UK as being a free sovereign state (except the EU).

Palastinians do not recognise Israel as a free sovereign state, if they did then they would have a vote and be able to put their own parties forward along with the two existing arab parties in the next Israeli election.
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:56   #1352
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Doh, what the hell do you think they would do Andrew ?

A major country declares war on Russia, because to respond militarily, you are automatically declaring war on them. You think they are just going to ignore that they have nuclear war heads?
You are completely missing the whole point about the nuclear deterrent, which is that they are there to deter, not to use.

Russia is well aware, as is the US, that a nuclear war between the superpowers may well end life on Earth. Only ISIS wants that.
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You are completely missing the whole point about the nuclear deterrent, which is that they are there to deter, not to use.

Russia is well aware, as is the US, that a nuclear war between the superpowers may well end life on Earth. Only ISIS wants that.
Agreed, that would be my perspective as well.
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:25   #1354
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I don't agree at all. I'm sure Russia has not spent a fortune upgrading it's nuclear capability, to never use it and use it, they would, if they felt under threat from another Super power, say USA or China.
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I don't agree at all. I'm sure Russia has not spent a fortune upgrading it's nuclear capability, to never use it and use it, they would, if they felt under threat from another Super power, say USA or China.
I don't agree with your disagreeing.

Having lived through the bottom twitching times of the 60's, 70's & 80's and the constant fear of the 4 minute warning, it's quite safe to say that something fairly spectacular would have to spook either super power before any instant sunshine was launched, it will never be something undertaken lightly, I suggest you go look up M.A.D. strangely enough it has worked for the last 60 years or so, that suggests there may be something to it.
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Re: US Election 2016

I agree with you in principle, that said, things have come a long way from 60 years ago, including personalities, it is ignorant to suggest a country won't consider launching a nuke or two if under duress.

North Korea, keeps threatening to nuke the US saying it is working on the possibility of a Nuclear missile capable of reaching the US. However, such threats, are just brushed off as the usual rhetoric from them.

Yes I agree, it is in extreme circumstances, but as I already said, a country, like Russia, with such capability and that was put under duress, through a military attack, I doubt would just look at it's nuclear arsenal and forget about using them.
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Re: US Election 2016

Some interesting analysis of Trump's options here. Everything from playing pat-a-cake to putting Pyongyang into orbit.
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Re: US Election 2016

American politics is so dysfunctional. Now there is a discussion if the Democrats can block any nominee Trump appoints to the Supreme court: http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-...-court-nominee
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American politics is so dysfunctional. Now there is a discussion if the Democrats can block any nominee Trump appoints to the Supreme court: http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-...-court-nominee
Oh, the irony....
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Re: US Election 2016

Something has to give, you can't have this level of partisanship, it's going to destroy them. You've got a serious problem when your political opposition in the same country as you are bigger enemies than anyone else.
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I agree with you in principle, that said, things have come a long way from 60 years ago, including personalities, it is ignorant to suggest a country won't consider launching a nuke or two if under duress.

North Korea, keeps threatening to nuke the US saying it is working on the possibility of a Nuclear missile capable of reaching the US. However, such threats, are just brushed off as the usual rhetoric from them.

Yes I agree, it is in extreme circumstances, but as I already said, a country, like Russia, with such capability and that was put under duress, through a military attack, I doubt would just look at it's nuclear arsenal and forget about using them.
Because there is no feasible plan of action at the present time. It's brushed off because it at present isn't an issue large enough to consider solving. It will become an issue though and then they will have to deal with it eventually. I'm confident North Korea would launch a nuke if they had the capability. There's a no win scenario with them now or in the future.

Everyone that has Nukes has every possibility of using them. It's easier to see it that way. Although the most likely first launch will be North Korea or a launch via cyber attack (See 2010 '45' minute incident)

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http://news.sky.com/story/trump-thre...plant-10719189

Trump is going to cause major problems with Mexico. What has Mexico one to Donald Trump for this to happen.

Most of the cheap labour that helps USA tick comes from Mexico.

I was in America several years ago. And we were told by the hotel, don't go too far on International Drive. As there is an Mexico workforce on the Work Plaza there.

All these companies are going to say enough, is enough. And do not dictate to us. Where we can build products.

Ford probably ran scared of Trump.

I reckon within the first 12 months, someone will take a pop shot at him.

In London at the American Embassy, there is bound to be demos on his Presidents day. Its like when he won the election day - apart from thanking Russia, for there help -there were demos in London at the Embassy
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Your disturbing obsession with a presidential assassination attempt continues.
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http://news.sky.com/story/trump-thre...plant-10719189

Trump is going to cause major problems with Mexico. What has Mexico one to Donald Trump for this to happen.

Most of the cheap labour that helps USA tick comes from Mexico.

I was in America several years ago. And we were told by the hotel, don't go too far on International Drive. As there is an Mexico workforce on the Work Plaza there.

All these companies are going to say enough, is enough. And do not dictate to us. Where we can build products.

Ford probably ran scared of Trump.

I reckon within the first 12 months, someone will take a pop shot at him.

In London at the American Embassy, there is bound to be demos on his Presidents day. Its like when he won the election day - apart from thanking Russia, for there help -there were demos in London at the Embassy
You really have this problem Arthur of not thinking first before you type !

Ford did not run scared of Trump - If you actually bothered to spend time thinking, reading things thoroughly, you would not gob off before putting brain in gear. Ford were actually swayed by their confidence in Trumps plans for growth, less regulations, lower tax tariffs and the burden companies were faced with when it comes to Obamacare, that healthcare stuff you keep assuming is free.

Not sure what significance protests at the American Embassy in London will achieve, pretty much zero difference or impact just like protests in Washington DC will have.

Not even going to bother replying to rest of your post, I'm not in the habit of repeating myself over and over and over and over and over again. Oh look, irony.
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Re: US Election 2016

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Russian hacking claims: Joe Biden tells Trump to 'grow up'...Mr Biden said it was "absolutely mindless" for the president-elect not to have faith in intelligence agencies
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38526570

Comes to something when the Donald seems to trust Putin more than his own security services. Wonder what some of his Republican colleagues are beginning to think about this ? They can't all be mad.
Is it possible to impeach a President elect ?
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