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Old 02-11-2016, 22:13   #661
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Re: US Election 2016

Doesn't matter now anyway, they've cancelled the press conference.

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Yeah could be slander if it goes * up? That would be a good reason for Clinton to stay away from it.
I think they would be less worried about slander (the campaign would be clever enough to avoid that) but you don't make accusations you can't somewhat back.
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Old 03-11-2016, 09:30   #662
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I think you're right. Good journalism is crucial to democracy and I think one of the things that is currently undermining it is both people's distrust of the media causing them to seek even more partisan reporting and the fact that an absolute truth doesn't seem to exist anymore. When nothing is true anymore and the answer to any story, any evidence, is that 'well, that's one side of it' then we'll never agree on anything. How can we agree when there is no common ground?

This suits some people's agenda though and you've nailed it when you say it causes disquiet and paralysis: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/wo...formation.html



I only disagree with you on the last line:


I am not sure what the alternative is and I think any clamp down will be exactly the reaction the enemies of the West, and there are enemies of the West, want. Look at how much of a PR coup for Russia Natwest closing their accounts was. RT/Sputnik are constantly on the lookout for examples of Western hypocrisy to justify Russia's lack of a free press.

We are in dangerous times though and I do worry.
There is no answer to this. Thanks largely to the internet and social media large numbers of people are being presented with all sorts of convincingly distorted 'facts' (even doctored images/videos) which they choose to believe for one reason or another. Rather than question the sources or seek alternative views/reasoning before deciding, it's easier for them to accept what's presented, especially if it confirms what they already believe or is simply what they want to hear. Isn't this why so many students simply do a Google search for information and then base their work on what comes up at the top of the list. Google's effectively doing their thinking! In the past we relied upon the likes of the BBC and mainly well established and credible (albeit biased) newspapers to present information but now people are exposed to information from all over the world and increasingly form their opinions from that, often without question. There's so much information around, it's getting increasingly difficult to tell what's real anymore. The consequence of a digital existence isn't just losing ourselves in entertainment, it's increasingly blurring the boundaries of reality in all other aspects of our lives particularly for those who've known nothing different in their short lives. Check your email inbox every day for evidence of that - seemingly genuine messages from what appear to be major, trusted, institutions which are not only fake but are designed to do you harm. Now we have seemingly genuine news providers making it up to suit their warped agenda and very convincingly so.

The genie is out of the bottle, there is no answer to this and not so slowly but surely we're heading in a dangerous direction which will leave us all open to influence, exploitation and control by all sorts of dubious interests from all around the globe. What's real nowadays depends on who/what we choose to believe...

Anyway, on a lighter note, I notice Obama's not above the old project fear trick - this time it's only the 'fate of the world' which is at stake thankfully...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37854525

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I wonder if it'll do for the Democrats what it did for the Remainers?...
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"... nothing is true any more ..." - do you believe that statement to be true?

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Old 04-11-2016, 08:55   #664
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Re: US Election 2016

Looks odds on to me Trumps going to win this. Very tempted to put something on at the bookies (Hillary Clinton: 2/5, Donald Trump: 15/8). Many Democrat voters aren't going to turn out which will be her downfall. The country really deserves him anyway.
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Old 04-11-2016, 10:54   #665
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I just hope HC wins. I have checked cnn and us papers. If there is a trump win. All hell will break loose in thr US.
Trump is a billionaire and thinks of only himself and helping the rich. Just like the Tories over here. According to cnn, HC is leading and that Trump is dependant on swing states to win.

CNN have said that it will be tight at the finish but Clinton is hot favourite. Depenfing on swing states dont change there vote.

As l also understand the 'rape' victim is now known and has recieved death threats from Trump supporters
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I just hope HC wins. I have checked cnn and us papers. If there is a trump win. All hell will break loose in thr US.
Trump is a billionaire and thinks of only himself and helping the rich. Just like the Tories over here. According to cnn, HC is leading and that Trump is dependant on swing states to win.

CNN have said that it will be tight at the finish but Clinton is hot favourite. Depenfing on swing states dont change there vote.

As l also understand the 'rape' victim is now known and has recieved death threats from Trump supporters
No it won't. You need to stop adding fantasy scenario's in.

Yeah, just like the Tories... Because that's not an old boring cliche now.
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Re: US Election 2016

Trump seems to be closing in to Clinton in latest polls.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/5361/c...james-barrett#
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Trump seems to be closing in to Clinton in latest polls.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/5361/c...james-barrett#
It's an average of the polls. The momentum has stalled somewhat though. The RCP average has been a 2pts for many days now. Clinton is doing better in Florida too.

I think the die is cast now anyway. Early voting is really underway. Nevada is over 50%. Clinton's 'firewall' is still holding and if she takes either Florida or North Carolina she will likely win. Trump needs to take something like Pennsylvania whilst also taking Florida or North Carolina.

So unless there is a big news story it's a wait and see approach.
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Never say never. It ain't over til the fat lady sings.

I don't like either of them but it's not my country.
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Never say never. It ain't over til the fat lady sings.

I don't like either of them but it's not my country.
I am not saying saying never.

Clinton is going into the election at the moment as the favorite but with a real chance of losing. At the moment she is in a better position to get to 270 states but if Trump wins Pennsylvania then Clinton is in real trouble. Likewise if she wins either NC or Florida then Trump needs something big or he is finished.

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The early vote is so high in Florida we might know early if Clinton wins or has to wait: http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-bu...s-here/2301397
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Let's say for one moment she does win, she will be entering the White House as the first Woman President. I wish I could be really excited for her but her dire reputation has severely damaged all possibly of me being even remotely excited. But that is not all, because of her real tarnished reputation, there is real chance of massive civil unrest (I accept this could also be true for Trump) and I would not blame US citizens taking to the streets, not accepting the result because she is currently under a big FBI Investigation (AGAIN), I would not accept the result either and would more than likely, if I was a US citizen, join in with the unrest and protest (peaceful of course).
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Let's say for one moment she does win, she will be entering the White House as the first Woman President. I wish I could be really excited for her but her dire reputation has severely damaged all possibly of me being even remotely excited. But that is not all, because of her real tarnished reputation, there is real chance of massive civil unrest (I accept this could also be true for Trump) and I would not blame US citizens taking to the streets, not accepting the result because she is currently under a big FBI Investigation (AGAIN), I would not accept the result either and would more than likely, if I was a US citizen, join in with the unrest and protest (peaceful of course).
I mean it's a democracy. She still becomes President even if people don't want to accept it. Protesting her administration and working to a Republican elected in 2020 would be different to not accepting the result which would presumably mean you don't accept her claim to the Presidency and think Trump should be installed instead.
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I mean it's a democracy. She still becomes President even if people don't want to accept it. Protesting her administration and working to a Republican elected in 2020 would be different to not accepting the result which would presumably mean you don't accept her claim to the Presidency and think Trump should be installed instead.
Well if she is indicted, she will be removed from Office of President anyway, who then becomes President? Kaine, her vice President.

It's questionable democracy Damien, with reports of voter fraud, over a million dead people registered to vote and people crossing State lines to vote again. The voting system in America is laughable, it really is. Maybe when Trump says the system is rigged, it appears to really be the case.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/sto...ines/92892042/

http://yournewswire.com/two-million-...s-voter-fraud/
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Well if she is indicted, she will be removed from Office of President anyway, who then becomes President? Kaine, her vice President.

It's questionable democracy Damien, with reports of voter fraud, over a million dead people registered to vote and people crossing State lines to vote again. The voting system in America is laughable, it really is. Maybe when Trump says the system is rigged, it appears to really be the case.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/sto...ines/92892042/

http://yournewswire.com/two-million-...s-voter-fraud/
will it still be rigged if Trump wins ? i heard him in the news the other day enjoying his rise in popularity according to recent polls ,the same polls he said where rigged when they put Clinton 6 points in front
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will it still be rigged if Trump wins ? i heard him in the news the other day enjoying his rise in popularity according to recent polls ,the same polls he said where rigged when they put Clinton 6 points in front
At the end of the day they are only polls and not the main official poll that matters and as we know Polls can and have been wrong.
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