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Old 09-06-2017, 04:17   #1756
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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I don't think there will be a choice this mess is going to roll and roll.
She has only herself to blame for calling this needless election to start with as she listen to much to her advisers and not enough to senior people in her own party
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:34   #1757
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If they had fought a half decent campaign i think they could have increased their majority but her handling of the campaign was absolutely shocking and it's almost as if she couldn't be bothered. Corbyn promising free higher education and wiping all student debts was a political master stroke and has paid off for him and labour but the fact it isn't properly costed and economically damaging at this time seems to have been totally forgotten it's plain nuts.
 
Old 09-06-2017, 04:35   #1758
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

If there is another election then that will delay the start of talks as well. They could do the election in September to match German elections maybe.
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Old 09-06-2017, 08:04   #1759
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Clearly the call for a second referendum is going to increase and a third and a fourth till we vote the right way.
Like UKIP only in reverse you mean?

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Delay to Brexit talks?
The European Union's budget commissioner Guenther Oettinger says he's unsure whether Britain's Brexit negotiations could begin on time in light of the UK's hung parliament. He told Germany's Deutschlandfunk broadcaster a weak negotiating partner in Britain could result in a poor outcome.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2017-40171454
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

Just heard Jon Snow, on LBC with Iain Dale, claiming that our youth voted Labour because they have been deprived of the 'right to live, work and love in Europe' by the Tories. Really? How's that then? There's no way any Brexit deal is going to prevent those things but of course it doesn't suit the scaremongering remainers to admit that. This sort of deliberate misinformation is becoming a joke and he's gone down considerably in my estimation by stooping to that level of tripe.

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If they had fought a half decent campaign i think they could have increased their majority but her handling of the campaign was absolutely shocking and it's almost as if she couldn't be bothered. Corbyn promising free higher education and wiping all student debts was a political master stroke and has paid off for him and labour but the fact it isn't properly costed and economically damaging at this time seems to have been totally forgotten it's plain nuts.
Labour promise spending splurge and to give loads of money away shock. Who'd have thought!!...

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Old 09-06-2017, 20:09   #1761
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Like UKIP only in reverse you mean?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2017-40171454
It's okay, there will be no delay, the Conservative Unionist Negotiating Team is on there way to Brussels, they already overcame accent issues at home in an superb example of how good they are at negotiating

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/...one-is-saying/
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Old 09-06-2017, 21:22   #1762
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Just heard Jon Snow, on LBC with Iain Dale, claiming that our youth voted Labour because they have been deprived of the 'right to live, work and love in Europe' by the Tories. Really? How's that then? There's no way any Brexit deal is going to prevent those things but of course it doesn't suit the scaremongering remainers to admit that. This sort of deliberate misinformation is becoming a joke and he's gone down considerably in my estimation by stooping to that level of tripe.
The Labour and Conservative parties are committed to a Brexit that ends the freedom of movement. This works both ways and I'm surprised you somehow don't appreciate the this. So the youth would be correct in their assertions...but voting Labour wouldn't change it as they're against freedom of movement as well.
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Old 09-06-2017, 21:28   #1763
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Theresa is a remainer and it's all going to plan. The woman is a genius.
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Old 09-06-2017, 21:30   #1764
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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The Labour and Conservative parties are committed to a Brexit that ends the freedom of movement. This works both ways and I'm surprised you somehow don't appreciate the this. So the youth would be correct in their assertions...but voting Labour wouldn't change it as they're against freedom of movement as well.
Why are you surprised?
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Old 09-06-2017, 23:15   #1765
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Theresa is a remainer and it's all going to plan. The woman is a genius.
The fox-hunting and dementia tax were particularly cunning devices to ensure a soft Brexit.
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The Labour and Conservative parties are committed to a Brexit that ends the freedom of movement. This works both ways and I'm surprised you somehow don't appreciate the this. So the youth would be correct in their assertions...but voting Labour wouldn't change it as they're against freedom of movement as well.

And of course, before we joined the Common Market, no one from the UK travelled to, or worked in Europe. How terribly oppressed we were back then! But wait... they did!
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And of course, before we joined the Common Market, no one from the UK travelled to, or worked in Europe. How terribly oppressed we were back then! But wait... they did!
Correct. Maybe he's not old enough to remember or maybe he just doesn't want to for some odd reason...
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And of course, before we joined the Common Market, no one from the UK travelled to, or worked in Europe. How terribly oppressed we were back then! But wait... they did!
The Europe of now is a starkly different place. Franco is no longer the dictator of Spain and the Iron Curtain has fallen. Countries that require more workers no longer need to look to the UK when they have Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe and Iberia to tap.
So, I'm afraid that when it comes to most British citizens seeking work in the EU post-Brexit, it will be more a case of "Auf Wiedersehen, der Brite!" and less a case of "Auf Wiedersehen, Pet!"
Freedom of movement is a two-way thing.

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Why are you surprised?
Maybe he genuinely doesn't understand what freedom of movement is?

Intriguing story of how Saudi Arabia paid for pro-Brexit advertising on the Metro newspaper costing £282k funnelled through the DUP... even though the paper does not circulate in Northern Island!

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To recap briefly: two days before the Brexit referendum last June, the Metro freesheet in London and other British cities came wrapped in a four-page glossy propaganda supplement urging readers to vote Leave. Bizarrely, it was paid for by the DUP, even though Metro does not circulate in Northern Ireland. At the time, the DUP refused to say what the ads cost or where the money came from.

We’ve since learned that the Metro wraparound cost a staggering £282,000 (€330,000) – surely the biggest single campaign expense in the history of Irish politics. For context, the DUP had spent about £90,000 (€106,000) on its entire campaign for the previous month’s assembly elections.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/w...83586?mode=amp
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. Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...enges-theresa/
Another 'little' problem for Mother Theresa.
Hard Brexit is dead. Brexit itself isn't looking very 'strong and stable'.
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Maybe he genuinely doesn't understand what freedom of movement is?
Agreed ..

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Another 'little' problem for Mother Theresa.
Hard Brexit is dead. Brexit itself isn't looking very 'strong and stable'.
You are right. Her call for the GE was on a mandate for Hard Brexit. She did not get a mandate so has no basis on which to push Hard Brexit anymore. She need to listen to all the parties voices and agree a consensus position.
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