Home News Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | U.S President: Donald Trump

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > General Discussion > Current Affairs

U.S President: Donald Trump
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-07-2017, 10:15   #1711
Damien
Remoaner
Cable Forum Team
 
Damien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,206
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking View Post
So who created and wrongdoing or damaging information? The Democrats, and nobody else.

No foreign involvement there.
No one said you can't have connections with foreigners. We're saying you can't be complicit in foreigners (or nationals) hacking your country to influence an election.

Quote:
Many organisations and individuals get hacking attempts and many of them from the UK and from elsewhere outside Russia.
and those are just as illegal. There are stabbings every single day as well, that wouldn't be an effective defense in court though.

Quote:
Still mystified by what actually is meant to have influenced anything, other than possibly revealing the truth? What was it? Can anybody point out what is ultimately meant to have swung anything?
Doesn't matter if it didn't swing a single vote. It's still not acceptable to have foreign powers attacking your country.

Quote:
Trump had to first win the Republican selection process, so what evidence is there of interference in that?
None. The accusations relate to the hacking of the DNC and the subsequent Wikileaking of their e-mails over the course of the campaign.
Damien is offline  
Advertisement
Old 11-07-2017, 10:50   #1712
Mick
Cable Forum Team
 
Mick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,115
Mick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny star
Mick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny star
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien View Post
Doesn't matter if it didn't swing a single vote. It's still not acceptable to have foreign powers attacking your country.
American politics 101. Candidates attempt to dig dirt on each other all the time.

But come on, you're right. How many times has the US 'attacked' and interfered in foreign Elections?

You had a CNN Producer caught on tape saying the likes of the CIA had rigged foreign elections for years and I said this other day in another thread, Barack Obama coming here, interfering in our EU Referendum by making a intervention, in the form of Blackmail but I guess it was totally okay to do because he was aligned with the remainers.
Mick is offline  
Old 11-07-2017, 11:01   #1713
Damien
Remoaner
Cable Forum Team
 
Damien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,206
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick View Post
American politics 101. Candidates attempt to dig dirt on each other all the time.

But come on, you're right. How many times has the US 'attacked' and interfered in foreign Elections?

You had a CNN Producer caught on tape saying the likes of the CIA had rigged foreign elections for years and I said this other day in another thread, Barack Obama coming here, interfering in our EU Referendum by making a intervention, in the form of Blackmail but I guess it was totally okay to do because he was aligned with the remainers.
What Obama did wasn't illegal. People are allowed to pontificate publicly on such matters even if it's rather unorthodox and rude.

But Speech not illegal. Hacking illegal. That's a rather big difference.

Now we don't know exactly what has happened with this as it's an ongoing case. However hypothetically would you be fine had Corbyn's allies talked with Russia about leaking information they obtained via hacking the Tories? Or would you think that's rather traitorous?
Damien is offline  
Old 11-07-2017, 11:23   #1714
Mick
Cable Forum Team
 
Mick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,115
Mick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny star
Mick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny star
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien View Post
What Obama did wasn't illegal. People are allowed to pontificate publicly on such matters even if it's rather unorthodox and rude.

But Speech not illegal. Hacking illegal. That's a rather big difference.
Legalities aside, it is still a foreign interference.

But getting back to the DNC.... Who actually hacked though..?..

None of the servers were handed over to the FBI and afaik still haven't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien
Now we don't know exactly what has happened with this as it's an ongoing case. However hypothetically would you be fine had Corbyn's allies talked with Russia about leaking information they obtained via hacking the Tories? Or would you think that's rather traitorous?
No foreign intervention is fine, but I struggle to condemn such activity when the US are no angels, they cannot play victim when it suits, when it's a case of them who casts the first stone.
Mick is offline  
Old 11-07-2017, 12:12   #1715
Damien
Remoaner
Cable Forum Team
 
Damien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,206
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick View Post
But getting back to the DNC.... Who actually hacked though..?..

None of the servers were handed over to the FBI and afaik still haven't.
There are two hacks. The hacking of the DNC and the hacking of Clinton's campaign manager. Most of the issues here focus on the former and I believe those servers were handed over - but could be wrong - they haven't been in the latter case but that's because it was a gmail account.
Damien is offline  
Old 11-07-2017, 17:27   #1716
Damien
Remoaner
Cable Forum Team
 
Damien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,206
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Trump Jr has released the e-mail itself: https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/s...89839522140166

Quote:
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin
Which confirms he knew this information was coming from the Russian Government itself! That wasn't even the NYTimes story! They said it was an attorney who knows prominent Russians but a private attorney. Here Donald Trump Jr is told, ahead of the meeting, that it's the Russian Government! Why did he release it?

edit: looks like he might have been trying to get ahead of the NYTimes who have the e-mails: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/u...e-iphone-share

Last edited by Damien; 11-07-2017 at 17:31.
Damien is offline  
Old 11-07-2017, 17:33   #1717
Hugh
laeva recumbens anguis
Cable Forum Team
 
Hugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 67
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 42,044
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Copy of email which Donald Trump Jnr has posted on his Twitter feed (as Damien has posted above).

Attached Images
File Type: jpg DTjnrEmail.jpg (161.9 KB, 51 views)
__________________
There is always light.
If only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it
.
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
Hugh is online now  
Old 11-07-2017, 17:53   #1718
Damien
Remoaner
Cable Forum Team
 
Damien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,206
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

It's because NYTimes were doing a story. The timestamps show they came out about the same time.

---------- Post added at 16:42 ---------- Previous post was at 16:37 ----------

Donald Trump's son and campaign met with Russian government officials to discuss incriminating information on Clinton 'as part of Russia's support for Mr Trump' and they knew this. They knew it was the Russian government when they took the meeting.

And the FBI Director was fired whilst investigating it.

---------- Post added at 16:46 ---------- Previous post was at 16:42 ----------



Back in May....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...98775731818496


Quote:
Again, the story that there was collusion between the Russians & Trump campaign was fabricated by Dems as an excuse for losing the election.


---------- Post added at 16:53 ---------- Previous post was at 16:46 ----------

Here's a full story: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=48567195
Damien is offline  
Old 11-07-2017, 21:45   #1719
1andrew1
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,188
1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze
1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien View Post
It's because NYTimes were doing a story. The timestamps show they came out about the same time.

---------- Post added at 16:42 ---------- Previous post was at 16:37 ----------

Donald Trump's son and campaign met with Russian government officials to discuss incriminating information on Clinton 'as part of Russia's support for Mr Trump' and they knew this. They knew it was the Russian government when they took the meeting.

And the FBI Director was fired whilst investigating it.

---------- Post added at 16:46 ---------- Previous post was at 16:42 ----------



Back in May....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...98775731818496




---------- Post added at 16:53 ---------- Previous post was at 16:46 ----------

Here's a full story: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=48567195
Sadly, the impression I get is that Trump has really been taking the mick out of his supporters. To any Trump supporters reading this, I'm sorry that you've been lied to, you totally deserve better. I believe that you sincerely believed in what Trump told you and Trump was clever into convincing people not to trust the media and instead to follow his tweets and YouTube broadcasts. He's not the first politician to lie but he came from outside the establishment and promised a new approach.

Last edited by 1andrew1; 11-07-2017 at 22:18.
1andrew1 is offline  
Old 11-07-2017, 22:25   #1720
Mick
Cable Forum Team
 
Mick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,115
Mick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny star
Mick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny star
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
Sadly, the impression I get is that Trump has really been taking the mick out of his supporters. To any Trump supporters reading this, I'm sorry that you've been lied to, you totally deserve better. I don't think of you as gullible fools, I believe that you sincerely believed in what Trump told you and Trump was clever into convincing people not to trust the media and instead to follow his tweets and YouTube broadcasts. He's not the first politician to lie but he came from outside the establishment and promised a new approach.
You're talking as if it is the end of the Trump Presidency. There is a long way to go before this gets to where it could go. But even so, I am still glad Hillary lost.

There is no angels on either side of this story and her losing is all I cared about. I have said this from day one.

I have already seen a few desperate comments from some on the left, screaming 'impeach, impeach now!, lets get Hillary in office.'

I hate to bring it to them, but they will be crying for ever more, that if and that's a big if, if Trump is removed or resigns from office, Pence becomes the next President, but there are some even saying get Pence too, because they think, this will then allow Hillary to become President, big fat no, Paul Ryan, house speaker, is next in line and so on, not her and this still pleases me immensely.

It's interesting to note that there is a JFK, (John. F. Kelly), currently in this line of succession. But he's like the 17th person.
Mick is offline  
Old 11-07-2017, 22:46   #1721
Damien
Remoaner
Cable Forum Team
 
Damien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,206
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

You have to be careful with talk of Impeachment. Mick's right we're not at that stage yet, people need to be vary wary of impeaching a democratically elected President. Given the atmosphere in politics it wouldn't be isolated to Trump, the next President will have people looking for impeachment as well.

If impeachment were to happen you could need clear illegal activity or gross abuse of power that is clear for all to see. Most of the country would need to see that it's a justified impeachment. We're not there yet.

Trump is getting closer to it than we've seen since Bill Clinton and the affair. There still isn't any direct implication to Trump himself but this e-mail chain implicates his campaign manager and his son.

At the moment the riskiest thing is that he fired the FBI Director. Given that it now seems this was at least one part of what he was investigating then it looks really bad. He fired the guy who was investigating his Son and campaign manager for alleged collusion with the Russians! Remember it was the cover-up that got Nixon in the end.

By the way how stupid is that e-mail chain? Why was he was open in e-mail!? Who writes down such incriminating stuff in a medium which is trackable, hackable and can be obtained quite easily. Especially when running against someone who got in trouble because their e-mails leaked.
Damien is offline  
Old 11-07-2017, 23:21   #1722
Mick
Cable Forum Team
 
Mick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,115
Mick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny star
Mick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny starMick has a nice shiny star
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien View Post
You have to be careful with talk of Impeachment. Mick's right we're not at that stage yet, people need to be vary wary of impeaching a democratically elected President. Given the atmosphere in politics it wouldn't be isolated to Trump, the next President will have people looking for impeachment as well.

If impeachment were to happen you could need clear illegal activity or gross abuse of power that is clear for all to see. Most of the country would need to see that it's a justified impeachment. We're not there yet.

Trump is getting closer to it than we've seen since Bill Clinton and the affair. There still isn't any direct implication to Trump himself but this e-mail chain implicates his campaign manager and his son.

At the moment the riskiest thing is that he fired the FBI Director. Given that it now seems this was at least one part of what he was investigating then it looks really bad. He fired the guy who was investigating his Son and campaign manager for alleged collusion with the Russians! Remember it was the cover-up that got Nixon in the end.

By the way how stupid is that e-mail chain? Why was he was open in e-mail!? Who writes down such incriminating stuff in a medium which is trackable, hackable and can be obtained quite easily. Especially when running against someone who got in trouble because their e-mails leaked.
If you ask me, I think Trump is bored of the Presidency, I got that impression last week at the G20, it seemed an effort for him to be there, in one photo opportunity, he seemed uninterested and our own PM tapped him twice on the shoulders to get him to turn around and in one meeting at the G20, he stepped out of it and he got his own daughter, Ivanka to sit in which rightfully raised a few eyebrows. I do not usually jump in on the criticism bandwagon but that was totally wrong her sitting there like that.
Mick is offline  
Old 11-07-2017, 23:25   #1723
Damien
Remoaner
Cable Forum Team
 
Damien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,206
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Damien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver blingDamien has a lot of silver bling
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

I agree but I think he's been like that early one. Hence all the trips to his golf course. I'm not sure he really wanted to win when he started his campaign, maybe thought it would be good PR but did very well and competitive instinct took over.
Damien is offline  
Old 12-07-2017, 00:02   #1724
1andrew1
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,188
1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze
1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze1andrew1 is cast in bronze
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien View Post
I agree but I think he's been like that early one. Hence all the trips to his golf course. I'm not sure he really wanted to win when he started his campaign, maybe thought it would be good PR but did very well and competitive instinct took over.
I think he liked the attention and it became like winning The Apprentice for him. His likes to delegate and focus on his strengths which works in a private company. But in public office, delegating meetings to his daughter which he probably wouldn't enjoy just rubs up the elected politicians who are there in person.
1andrew1 is offline  
Old 12-07-2017, 08:40   #1725
RizzyKing
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Being honest i think he's out of his depth and he's starting to realise it, it's one thing to talk about changing this that and the other it's a totally different thing when you have to try and fight the established system in washington that i think trump clearly underestimated. The saddest part of this is that it was a great chance to fundamentally alter US politics and return the government more to the people that may well be lost because it was trump that rode that wave of dissatisfaction. If he goes too quick it will be looked at as a blip rather then the desperate wish for change that many americans based their vote on, he has to stick it out and keep trying to affect change because if he just quits americans will never forgive him.
 
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:43.


Server: osmium.zmnt.uk
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.